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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply


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Agreeing with Petter. A lesbian character doesn't need a lesbian actress, any more than a gay, Jewish, Bostonian, etc. character needs that kind of actor. That's why it's called ACTING.

A lesbian actress might make different choices in her performance, particularly in scenes dealing with the LGBTQ experience, from a heterosexual actress who only understands those experiences from the outside. That perspective is important in lending an authenticity to the portrayal. While I don't think an actor needs to be LGBTQ to give an authentic portrayal, I do think someone involved in the production should have that perspective to give feedback, and it's easiest if it's the actual actor.


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To pick at a sore point, we've even seen characters who are Asian, black, even female played by white men. The performances have naught to do with the actor's race, religion, etc., even if that casting is offensive to us.

More often than not, these types of performances end up being what a white man thinks Asian/black/female characters are like versus having any sort of authenticity. So it'd be incorrect to say performances have nothing to do with race, gender or so on

I'm not saying that no actor can play something outside their experiences, but if representation is important, someone involved with the production should be able to offer that particular perspective.
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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply


Oh brother...

Straight people have played gay roles for years, and gay actors have played straight.  And when straight actors traditionally play straight roles, no one bats an eyelash.  And no one says boo when when gay actors appear in LGBTQ-centric films.

But when producers are looking for a lesbian actress to play a lesbian role, suddenly it's an issue for this particular series?

Why, I wonder?





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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 1:57pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

My belief is that they're trying to appease the LGBTQ community by going with a lesbian actress. Because when Ruby Rose was cast, some people bitched because they didn't cast someone Jewish.

Its sort of like when some people complained when they cast a caucasian as Iron Fist. Though in that case it was because the people whining were unfamiliar with the character.

Watch there be no one complaining when the Snake-Eyes movie comes out....



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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 3:08pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply


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Its sort of like when some people complained when they cast a caucasian as Iron Fist. Though in that case it was because the people whining were unfamiliar with the character.

One of the most vocal people about Iron Fist's casting was Marjorie Liu, an Asian-American author who has written for Marvel, and she was familiar with the character. Her point was that Iron Fist is steeped in Orientalism and several tired tropes of white men being exposed to an outside culture and excelling within it (see DANCES WITH WOLVES, THE LAST SAMURAI). Her argument was that casting an Asian-American Iron Fist would subvert some of that.

I was fine with a white Iron Fist, but even I had to cringe at scenes in the Netflix series where Danny Rand had to explain Eastern philosophy to samurai-trained Colleen Wing.

Again, this speaks to the importance of representation. I did not agree with Marjorie Liu with regard to the necessity of an AA Iron Fist, but I understood where her arguments stemmed from. Whereas I saw a lot of white dudes saying, "Wut? Why are you saying that?"

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Posted: 25 May 2020 at 9:21pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Getting back to Batwoman, the day after the annoucement was made, tvline posted an article talking to one of the producers about it and they said that her leaving the show was a mutual decision and went on to specify three things in particular that were at issue here... 1) Ruby was having an issue with the long hours involved, 2) she was apparently unhappy living in Vancouver (they didn't specify exactly why but that doesn't matter as not everyone likes where they have to live for work) and 3) that her unhappiness was bleeding over onto the set and making the work enviornment uncomfortable for everyone else.

Frankly, I was surprised she was cast in the first place as I'd heard stories about her having issues with longer projects in the past which doesn't bode well for a lead on a tv show that has long hours and a production period that lasts an average of 9-10 months per year. 

And for the record, her injury wasn't to her back, it was a neck injury caused by the earlier design of the cowl which they later altered to make it more comfortable to wear.
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Posted: 26 May 2020 at 3:28am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

So far, my favorite of the names thrown out there to replace Ruby Rose is Wallis Day, who played Nyssa-Vex, Jor-El's mother, on KRYPTON. She already rocks the pixie cut, has done a DC TV show, wouldn't be a drastic departure from Rose physically, and looks more like she could be Rachel Skarsten's sister than Ruby Rose did.

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Posted: 03 June 2020 at 8:37am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/batwoman-replace -kate-kane-ruby-roses-departure-1296951

So they are replacing Kate with an entirely new character as Batwoman. Since all the supporting characters and villains tie in to Kate personally, I’m not sure how this will work. 

Maybe if “Ryan Wilder” is Bette Kane (or maybe Helena Wayne)?
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Posted: 03 June 2020 at 9:06am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

It's been reported that not only is Ruby Rose being replaced but the character of Kate Kane is as well.  A leaked casting sheet has shown up on DECIDER (not a site I'm familiar with) searching for an actor to play a brand new identity for Batwoman called "Ryan Wilder", a slightly kooky, ex substance abuser, LGBQT character who is described as 'not a typical hero'.

Now I'm not sure of the validity of this, the leak came from a Reddit user so make of that what you will. It could just be devilment perpetrated by a fan and the site doesn't quote a direct source.

"Ryan Wilder" seems to be a placeholder name and my immediate thought was Ryan Reynolds played a character called Van Wilder??

Purely from a series point of view this make little sense, it invalidates most of the set up of season one and its finale.  I can see how it could be done, but it would require a contrivance of quite substantial proportions to get a brand new person into the suit.  
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Posted: 03 June 2020 at 9:09am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Michael, mate you beat me to it!!!
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I guess it depends if they're restarting the series or not as well. Kate Kane went through the Crisis and is a paragon of... somethin' or other. She had a tie to Bruce Wayne (whose duplicate, Hush, appeared to be an integral character to season 2. Although why Alice has never heard of Lex Luthor boggles me... but be that as it may.)

I wasn't quite so fond of the character as presented by Ruby Rose. Not the greatest fighter, not running her show, not the World's Greatest Detective (distaff version)... she had to become Batwoman, and they made some progress in season 1. Not enough, I think, but it was a start.

Now it seems that all of that is shitcanned for a new character who has no relation to Bruce Wayne or Batman... maybe. Who has nothing with which to become Batwoman... maybe. Who has no relation to Alice whatsoever, so that's okay*. I guess they'll play it out, and we'll see it out.

*Look, I think that Alice is sexy as hell; I'd like to see more of her. But she wasn't going to get into a sexual relationship with Kate (probably.) And she was tedious, just as every episode of a Batman series being the Joker, or every Superman episode being about Luthor. But again... time will tell. Obviously, the new Batwoman COULD look and sound like Ruby Rose...

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Posted: 04 June 2020 at 5:00pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

They should make it about Barbara Gordon even
retitle the show.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Posted: 05 June 2020 at 7:16am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

They just HAVE to overcomplicate things. Just recast the character.
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