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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 March 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 15729
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Posted: 06 June 2020 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | 1
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Failure to comply with the police is not invitation for a cop to commit violence on anyone, criminal or not.
----------------------------------------- I'd like to think this is something we can all agree on.
Even more basic would be: anyone, criminal or not, restrained in police custody should not risk losing their life.
There really shouldn't be any argument that these are some basic building blocks that everyone should expect to hold true, regardless of race, colour or creed.
Next step, everyone acknowledge that what happened to George Floyd was therefore wrong. Things do get more complicated, but these basic things are a least a starting point for everyone to at least agree on. Big next step: what can be done to improve things.
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Rebecca Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 February 2018 Location: Canada Posts: 4410
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Posted: 06 June 2020 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | 2
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It should be an accomplishment for someone to remain on the police force for twenty or more years, not just a job piling up dates until retirement. Some of the worst stick around the longest getting seniority and respect for years in making them even more toxic to the whole force. :^(
I hope nobody is seriously advocating all police bad throw the whole lot out.
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Rodrigo castellanos Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 July 2012 Location: Uruguay Posts: 1435
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Posted: 06 June 2020 at 10:31pm | IP Logged | 3
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All of which speaks to the systemic issues with policing in this country.
Exactly. The elderly man video, the officers reactions on it and the subsequent resignations speak incredibly eloquently on the real issues at hand.
I found it truly intolerable and inhuman, even more so than the George Floyd video (that I admit I couldn't stomach to view in its entirety) if that was possible.
This is not about George Floyd per se, and the situation won't be magically resolved even if those original 4 officers get 10 consecutive life sentences (which obviously won't happen, far from it).
It's no longer about that.
Edited by Rodrigo castellanos on 06 June 2020 at 10:33pm
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7581
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 4:22am | IP Logged | 4
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There is some horrendous things people are doing to the police. However, we are also seeing horrendous things the Police are doing to people, the latest being the video of a woman being body slammed to the ground.
Look, this stuff looks cool in a movie, it really doesn’t in real life. In real life, it just looks ugly
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | 5
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Minneapolis is disbanding its police department, to be replaced by "community-led public safety". What does that term even mean? Madness, sheer madness.
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: China Posts: 4939
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 5:46pm | IP Logged | 6
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Defunding the police isn't radical. It's so lucid it's a wonder it took a movement to catch on
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | 7
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Crime isn't just streetwalkers and troubled teens. Its gangs and cartels, serial killers. How are social workers and EMT supposed to contend with that?
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | 8
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They won’t. That’s the point. Instead of one monolithic police department there would be differently trained people for different tasks.
Last week a Canadian guy called the police about his girlfriend since he was worried about her well-being. She was shot and killed by police (not wearing body cams so no idea what actually happened). As well, a native man up North was hit by the door of an RCMP truck for the crime of being drunk in public. Why not call in specially trained groups to deal with these situations Instead of armed police?
Getting rid of the victimless crimes would be a start as well. Are there still places in the USA where you go to jail for cannabis possession? Why is prostitution still a crime? You really think a troubled teen responds better to an intimidating police officer with a gun and a bulletproof vest compared to a social worker who just wants to listen?
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Rebecca Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 6:43pm | IP Logged | 9
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It's definitely true that they have been using the police to 'deal' with everything from homeless people to armed gangs to severe mental disturbance cases from a variety of causes that could be chemical or genetic. Society has dropped the ball on certain levels and just dumps everyone on the dirty boulevard as Lou Reed said, and thus the police once things reach a major nuisance stage. Institutions were bad so they closed them, but this all or nothing approach is boom or bust swings to one extreme or another. Native carver on a Seattle street with a carving tool told loudly by rookie cop to drop the knife weapon and get on the ground, doesn't react and gets shot and killed. Didn't obey commands = shoot to kill. I was told police don't dare shoot to wound and aren't trained to. Who wants to be a police officer in today's world with meth and crack and who knows what else (even the users usually don't) plus gun rights including military style assault weapons Reagan asked other Republicans to get off the streets... so you are going to get more people who find other kinds of 'payment' in the job, like they get off on going Bronson on 'bad guys' and other things.
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Peter Hicks Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 April 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1879
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 7:08pm | IP Logged | 10
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Just saw a clip of a protestor in Montreal saying: "People keep saying 90% of cops are good. But we saw 4 out of 4 cops were not good to George Lloyd."
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Andy Mokler Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 8:17pm | IP Logged | 11
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Do people really believe that violent and career criminals are going to stop committing crimes because the police are gone and social workers are offering free hugs?
I'm very curious to see what kind of reality hits in Minneapolis.
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 June 2020 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | 12
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The police will deal with violent and career criminals. That would not change. For other things, there would be other people trained to deal with the issue. As well, the massive police budget could be used for better things.
It is a fundamental change but it is an interesting idea. What we have now is not working.
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