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Posted: 09 July 2020 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I don’t feel the show held up the honor of the Confederacy...

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Then the flag and the name on the car were.....?

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 Rebecca Jansen wrote:
...Wasn't there a comic book titled Captain Confederacy? I'm sure I remember seeing it in the '80s. No idea what it was about other than an attempt at a regional Captain America. Watch it go up in price now... :^(  ...

My friend did the artwork for that comic series, and I can tell you it's NOT what you think!

The series is an alternative history where the South won the Civil War, and Captain Confederacy is a white man that was an actor being used by the Confederacy for propaganda. After the death of his friend, becomes disillusioned and with the CSA and leads a rebellion against it. The comic book examined racism and does NOT portray the Confederacy in a positive light.

About a decade ago, some mother bought a bundled three-pack of comics at a dollar store which contained a copy of "Captain Confederacy" in it. She apparently didn't bother to read beyond the title, and went to the media complaining about it. Is the title provocative? Yes, it was meant to be so, but it does not champion the Southern Confederacy. It does exactly the opposite, in fact.

Before suggesting people burn or ban books, and such -- Not saying you are doing that, Rebecca, BTW -- how about people actually read the things to make sure they are railing against the right thing. Especially, when the book actually supports the opposite viewpoint than what a title might suggest.

Here's a write-up from "Heavy Metal" on that series:



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Inside The Weird Dinosaur Park Where Confederates Defeat The Union Army
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I did go and look up what I could about Captain C., Matt. Most of it was about the Epic run which had a black woman in one of stars and bars trimmed outfits. The art looked quite good. It reminded me of the premise of Phil Dick's Man In the High Castle... which is a long time favorite. So it's a bit like saying a swastika on the cover of that book was glorifying Nazis, although comics being so visual maybe x 10.

I saw some of the earlier independent comic series about when I was winding down on buying anything with superheroes, but I was buying a lot of Epic titles and had they been around then I probably would've tried it. I think I bought at least the first issue of pretty much everything with Epic on it for the first few years of the imprint, and some series like Moonshadow, and Starstruck, I kept on for the entire run. I like how old blues songs were used for titles in Captain Confederacy, but Pacifica should've been named Cascadia.

I can say one good thing about The Dukes Of Hazzard, the singer of the theme song is Waylon Jennings and I do like a lot of his music... but like Starsky And Hutch and some other guys with cars similar it just wasn't my kind of show and I barely watched any of it. I liked Hill Street Blues and Cagney And Lacey. For two guys and a car in the south plus some humor I stick with the earlier Bearcats tv series. I hope the name Stutz doesn't fall into disrepute. :^)

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There was a previous thread back in 2006. Nowadays the creators would have to apologize for causing hurt to the woman who complained about it being racist. Nuance is a tool of the cis white male patriarchy. U.S. Grant beat the Confederacy, and his statue was still toppled.

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I was actually trying to locate that old thread when I posted here earlier. Thanks!

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Then the flag and the name on the care were.....?

A bad decision.
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(ANDY GRIFFITH is a false equivalency. It was set in the South,
but it did not extoll the Confederacy. The stories it told could as easily
have been set in Connecticut.)


It’s also my all-time favorite television show.

Matt, your words about CAPTAIN CONFEDERACY remind me of
frustrating conversations I have had with people who refuse to watch
episodes of ALL IN THE FAMILY or ARCHIE BUNKER’S PLACE
because “the show is racist,” missing that a major point of the series is
to show how wrong the lead’s bigoted perspectives are.
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"...missing that a major point of the series is
to show how wrong the lead’s bigoted perspectives are."

...

My Aunt on my Dad's side married a Jewish Mexican and absolutely would not miss  ALL IN THE FAMILY. He was laughing at Archie not with him.
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Then the flag and the name on the care were.....?

A bad decision.

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That's nowhere near an answer.

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That's the best I can do. I don't know what the creators were thinking when they decided to name the car and put the flag on it. The same with Lynyrd Skynyrd using the flag in their heyday, or even the Fabulous Freebirds. I know the idea was to "represent" the South. I live in West Virginia, we became a state by breaking away from the Confederacy so that doesn't mean anything to me. The appeal of the show, for me, was everything that I mentioned earlier. The flag and the name could have been something else entirely because I still would have enjoyed the show. 
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Shawn, that is exactly how it works. For 100 years
after the Civil War, The Lost Cause narrative was
promoted by the romance of the Old South manifest in
the statues and the flag.

I grew up in the south with Flags and statues and
Dixie and southern hospitality all around me,
reminding us about southern pride, but I assure you,
if you study the Lost Cause you will see how it works,
how southern democrats kept their Civil War mentality
alive for more than 100 years.

Fortunately , I grew up in Miami where diversity was
the way of life, and I'm Italian-American (One of them
Eye-talians), so I didn't quite fit the bill, but
those good ol' boys were everywhere (even on tv)
reminding us that the flag was nothing more than a
symbol of the south and southern pride, and it worked.
There are MANY (millions?) of non-racist southerners
that will fight for these statues and flags because
that is what they have been taught their entire lives.

It's an amazingly effective false narrative which
ultimately helps create the division, effect, and
result it was intended to...

Promoting racism without hate, but with a love of the
past.
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