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Tim O Neill
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Eric S: "Claremont apparently loved to indulge in lesbian fantasies, right down
to Ororo ridiculing Scott for his feelings about Jean's "death" in Antarctica."
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How is that a "lesbian fantasy?"
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Eric Sofer
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It seemed she was almost mocking his male desire and love for Jean. It was indicated that Jean and Ororo were close as sisters. But they WEREN'T sisters. So to me, it seemed a bit that she didn't get to express HER feelings, when she thought she should have gotten sympathy as well.
I know it sounds a bit odd... but it was Claremont. I use a WIDE filter...
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Brian Miller
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Once again, how is that a lesbian fantasy?
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John Byrne
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Claremont apparently loved to indulge in lesbian fantasies...••• Even when we were working together, I grumbled that ALL of Chris’ female characters we Bi.
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Mark Haslett
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Dave: Which version of the 1980's did you live through? The idea that a major comics company back then would have a gay character - much less one in a healthy relationship - is more fantastical than the superpowers in the books.
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On the one hand, you are referencing the very oppression that I reference as if my point wasn't to wish it hadn't been so bad -- and on the other hand you seem to be denying that Northstar was a gay character at a major company in the 80's.
What exactly is your point?
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Mike Norris
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I thought Northstar was "subtext" gay back then?
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Peter Martin
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Northstar was gay. Implicitly so but it is clear.
There wasn't a panel of him screaming "I AM GAY!" and then punching out a mountie, but JB's clues were clear enough.
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Tim and Brian - well, that's how I see it. YMMV. As well as your lesbian fantasies. ;)
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Dave Kopperman
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Mark Haslett wrote:
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From JB, in the FAQ: "Of course, the temper of the times, the Powers That Were and, naturally, the Comics Code would not let me come right out and state that Jean-Paul was homosexual, but I managed to "get the word out" even with those barriers."
Edited by Dave Kopperman on 16 September 2020 at 1:11pm
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Dave Kopperman
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For the record, this thread is bonkers and kind of depressing.
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Bryan Eacret
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I had no idea that Northstar was gay when I read the books back in the olden days. It may have been clear to some people, but I never picked up on the clues.
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Great Dave. So your way of attempting to remind me that Northstar was not marketed by Marvel as a gay character is to ask me what version of the 80's I grew up in?
Thanks for the reminder, but unnecessary.
I was making a wish that more healthy representation could have been made in those comics. Is there something about this you object to? Is some not "more" than none? Is Northstar being subtly portrayed as gay not more than none?
Is there some reason I'm missing for you to have come at me so rudely?
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