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Jason Scott
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As far back as IRON FIST there were occasions when I would ask Chris why he had scripted something differently from what we'd plotted, and he'd say "That's how I felt when I scripted it." I grew very tired of that phrase. It should be kept in mind that there can be no true "collaboration" between any parties when one of them has the final say.
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Yeah, I think anyone would get tired of that phrase very quickly. It really is a horrrible brush off to give to your creative partner. (I can just imagine him shrugging his shoulders as he said it.)
Makes me all the more impressed though that the X-men run went on as long as it did.
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John Byrne
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Re Kitty’s kiss - I was young, I was innocent (to a degree). I thought it was a peck on her forehead.Guess I’m wrong huh? •• Where the kiss landed is not the issue. As I have stated many, many times (including in this thread), the issue is Kate--and her future--continuing to exist after the timeline has been altered.
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John Byrne
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Makes me all the more impressed though that the X-men run went on as long as it did.•• I guess I'm a masochist.
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Michael Penn
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If you look at JB's panel, there's only Kitty with concentric circles focusing right into her brain. There's no "abyss [that] opens within Kate Pryde." No "inside-out... reality twist[]" that somehow creates a momentary space for grown Kate to "come face-to-face with herself as a child." Nothing remotely like that is there in the art. What's there is what JB simply described above in this thread: Kate was supposed to vanish from inside Kitty, as if she had never been there. Boom. Done. Over.
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John Byrne
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Colossus and the tree trunk begins to take on larger form, no?
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Michael Penn
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Death by a thousand cuts.
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John Byrne
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A phrase I used at the time!
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Andrew Bitner
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Why was that door left open? Did Mr. Claremont intend to revisit this bleak future or was he just not a fan of happier endings?
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John Byrne
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The main complaint we used to hear from fans was about Chris’ dangling subplots. It sometimes seemed he simply COULD NOT end a story—even, as in this case, when that ending was pretty much the whole POINT of the story.
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That was one of my issues with the X-MEN during his tenure as solo writer as well. As a reader, there was no way to know if something you'd been reading would actually pay off. (Never had that occur to me with any of the books you've written, btw.) Your version of the "Days of Future Past" story is much better, and I wish we'd had the chance to see it in print.
I doubt there would be any reason to bring it up in this series, but I'm guessing that the "Days" future is no longer viable. Hopefully the X-Men here got a win even if they never realized it.Thank you, JB!
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David Schmidt
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The main complaint we used to hear from fans was about Chris’ dangling subplots. It sometimes seemed he simply COULD NOT end a story—even, as in this case, when that ending was pretty much the whole POINT of the story.
That was really frustrating... I can remember Nimrod beginning to have human feelings then fusing with Master Mold disappointed me a lot.
Well... it could have been worse: Nimrod could have joined the X-Men!
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John Byrne
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I was thinking of including a scene of Kate and Peter in the Future, with everything sweetness and light, but it just would not flow organically. Having stopped the Sentinels permanently should serve to show the DoFP storyline is gone!
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