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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member

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Well, the title says it all.. what would you say is the coolest comic book moment of all time??
Edited by Mikael Bergkvist on 07 May 2005 at 11:24am
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John Byrne
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I'd have to split that question into two parts, to reflect the two parts of my perceptions of such things. From the professional perspective, the coolest moment would be seeing my own work published in a real comicbook for the first time. From the fan perspective, it would be SUPERMAN vs THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN (the first one). I don't think anything will -- or can -- ever be that cool again!
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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member

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Amen to that. It was published as a oversized special in sweden and I still own it - it's bloody awesome.
A close second is a Kirby/Lee season with FF - in oversized black and white where I could study the artwork in detail - and the first time FF went to Latveria as agents for Shield after returning from a battle with the inhumans, all published by Red Clown in sweden.
Closely followed by the Dark Phoenix saga in X-men, which escalated until it became *the* defining X-men story, after a slow, cool build up.
Then, the (again) oversized collected Star Wars, depicting the first movies events, with a young Howard Chaykin as the artist. I read it before I saw the movie - and it didn't spoil it for me.
And finally a swedish oversized special again, depicting Batmans first encounter with Ra's Al Ghoul, showing off Neal Adams in all his glory.
Damn, that was good stuff....
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Ian Evans Byrne Robotics Member

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Mikael Bergkvist wrote:
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A close second is a Kirby/Lee season with FF - in oversized black and white where I could study the artwork in detail -
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Funny you should mention that series because I think it was/is in no small way the reason why there ARE any fans in the first place! I am not quite old enough to say this with authority, but get the impression that before this series, there were people (usually kids) who read comics...AFTER this, there were comic fans...
...not that I am blaming Stan and Jack for anything you understand...
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Jon Godson Byrne Robotics Member

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Oh, my god, this is why John Byrne pisses me off sometimes.
The coolest comic moment ever was the Dark Phoenix Saga, which was
what comic books had been leading up to for fifty years. More so even
than the Galactus Saga, those issues of X-Men told a story that is flawless
in every word and artistic detail. Nothing has every come close before or
since. It raised the bar for future comic stories - and too many
imitations.
It had
A conflict of univeral significance.
Personal inner conflict: Jean Grey knowing what was happening inside of
her and being very afraid - trying to revert to simple Jean Grey and the
home of her childhood and the family that she loved; Scott torn between
killing Dark Phoenix and hurting/killing the woman he loves; the rest of
the X-Men killing one of their own for the good of the universe.
An up-until-then two-bit villain, Mastermind, playing mind games with
the X-Men and releasing a force beyond man's comprehension.
Battles that were choreographed and exciting between the X-Men vs
Hellfire Club, the X-Men vs Phoenix, and the X-Men vs the Imperial
guard.
The introduction of Kitty Pryde and the Dazzler.
When the story concluded, I was stunned. I had reading nothing like it
before in comics and have seen nothing like it since. Sure the Dark
Phoenix lasted over several issues, but in the span of comics history it is
but a moment - that moment when it concluded that I knew comics
history had been made.
And I'm not a Byrne @$$ kisser. I've been pretty rough on JB in regards to
his work on Wonder Woman and Doom Patrol, but his work on X-Men and
the Dark Phoenix Saga is the most important work in comics history.
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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member

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I agree in some ways, but up until the superman/spiderman crossover, that particular idea had never been carried out with such power and artistic conviction. - In many ways it was a 'first' and it has never been done better since.
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member

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Jon Godson wrote:
but his work on X-Men and the Dark Phoenix Saga
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That's only if you give a rat's ass about the X-Men. Sadly, my container of
rat's asses is completely empty when it comes to them.
Not to diminish JB's work on that title, and that storyline in particular --
after all, I think 99% of us would agree that his run was the most readable
of the entire "new X-Men" run -- but the X-Men is hardly the end-all and
be-all of superhero comics. Personally, I prefer his FF work when it comes
to his Marvel stuff, and even then I'll take the Lee/Kirby stuff over JB's.
The more I think on it, the more I think JB is right -- Superman vs.
Spider-Man was pretty damned cool.
Edited by John Mietus on 07 May 2005 at 3:58pm
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Anthony J Lombardi Byrne Robotics Member

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I'd like to split my answer , The coolest comicbook moment for me was during the Infinity Gauntlet Mini-series. All the gathered hero's were out of action except for Captain America( Silver Surfer & Adam Warlock hadn't entered the fray yet)Thanos stood victorious and Captain America slugs him.And makes a statement about him still standing. Now Cap had to know he was but a speck on the wall in the cosmic sceme of things yet still the Captain stood toe to toe before going down.
The coolest momemt for me was when i was ten years old my extended family moved to Long Island While visiting i discovered a comic store with a sea of back issues.That where i discovered John Byrne, Jack Kirby, Romita sr, The Buscema's, Gil Kane,Dave Cockrum,Neal Adams ,Art Adams, Frank Robbins and Mike Ploog.The found The Invaders,Moon Knight,Ghost Rider, Werewolf By Night Son of Satan,Tomb of Dracula and Adam Warlock. I was in heaven .I was ten years old and 20 dollars in my pocket and a 60 percent off on all back issues i cleaned up Like 40 comics owe to go back to those days
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Ken Lomas Byrne Robotics Member

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The coolest moment: Anytime I witnessed Superboy meet up with Superman in any fashion.
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Jon Godson Byrne Robotics Member

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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

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Coolest moments for me-
Dr. Doom beating the Beyonder-my first experience with the coolness of Doom-and several other moments of Secret wars-and the whole coolness of seeing all of these heroes with Spider-man and the Hulk and discovering a Universe.
Spider-man beating Venom-I was 10 or 11, and man, I could not figure out how Spidey would be able to beat someone tougher, stronger, nastier, and crazy, who could avoid his Spider-sense. I just don't think I can ever get that feeling back again-will Spider-man get out of this or not? I was afraid for him, and thrilled when he got the sonic gun from the FF and used it, and discovered that the costume was permanently attached to Venom. Wow
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Matthew T. Carpenter, Sr. Byrne Robotics Member

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Anthony - thanks for sharing that story of when you were a kid. It brought back memories of when I was a kid and first discovered Captain America on the newsstand shelf (remember when comics were sold at the local newsstand?)
You all so far have some great input here...
Hard for me to say. I've mainly collected Cap and Batman all my life and I'm not as varied as many of you in your comic experiences.
I think the story that has stuck with me (not kissing hiney here either) was the Baron Blood story in Cap during JB's run. The way that JB and Joe Rubinstein (colorist needs a nod here too) illustrated Cap as the sun was going down, and he knew what he had to do to eliminate Baron Blood as a threat - he chopped off his head with his shield. After, Cap walked away, and was SAD at what he had to do, to take a life to save everyone else.
I could go on and on about it, but for me, this story really set in me that Cap was a HERO first, and hooked me forever on Cap, JB, and comics.
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Rich Henderson Byrne Robotics Member

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JB, a little deviation of the question, but where would The first Chris Reeve Superman movie fit into your "coolest comic book" moments? I seem to remember an interview with you from way back when and you reminisced about your experience with seeing that movie. If I recall correctly you kept thinking to yourself, "Don't suck, don't suck", and were extremely pleased with the outcome.
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Mig Da Silva Byrne Robotics Member

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When Galactus first arrived on earth - Fantastic Four, by Lee, Kirby.
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Matthew Panek Byrne Robotics Member

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Jon Godson wrote:
Oh, my god, this is why John Byrne pisses me off sometimes.
The coolest comic moment ever was the Dark Phoenix Saga, which was what comic books had been leading up to for fifty years. . |
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He pisses you off because his opinion differs from yours?
Weird...
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Wes Wescovich Byrne Robotics Member

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I'm with the camp on Superman VS Spider-Man. My favorite of all time. Carlos Pacheco has shown a strong love for it in many of his books with little references thrown into the background. Avengers Forever has a tiny shot of Luthor astride Doctor Octopus in an alternate diminsion sequence and I can't remember where it was, but there was a young photographer wearing a familiar black sweater in a panel or two of a comic he drew as well. I know there are others that escape me at the moment.
My favorite line from Superman VS Spider-Man:
"I think MJ was right! Maybe I DID have nails for breakfast!"
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Jon Godson Byrne Robotics Member

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Matthew Panek wrote:
Jon Godson wrote:
Oh, my god, this is why
John Byrne pisses me off sometimes. The coolest comic moment ever was
the Dark Phoenix Saga, which was what comic books had been leading up
to for fifty years. . |
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He pisses you off because his opinion differs from yours?
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No, he pisses me off because his humility won't let him see what an
impact the Dark Phoenix Saga had on the comics industry. Aside from
the dozens of imitations, I believe it revived interest in comics and what
they could be in the 1980s. It raised the bar and challenged artists and
writers to make better comics, after a rather uninspired decade of the
70s. It was the father of the New Teen Titans (which revived DC), Levitz
and Giffen's Legion, Crisis on Infinite Earths, Batman & the Outsiders
(which brought Alan Davis to America). It inspired a legion of new
storytellers, some in the comics industry, some in other media. There are
a lot of opinions as to what the most influential story in comics has been,
but I'll bet this one is on EVERYBODY'S top ten list.
After I read the Dart Phoenix Saga at the age of 12, I didn't just want to
be a comic book artist, I wanted to be JOHN BYRNE.
Edited by Jon Godson on 07 May 2005 at 8:56pm
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Matthew Panek Byrne Robotics Member

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Jon Godson wrote:
No, he pisses me off because his humility won't let him see what an impact the Dark Phoenix Saga had on the comics industry. |
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How do you get THAT from his answer above?
Edited by Matthew Panek on 07 May 2005 at 9:05pm
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Jon Godson Byrne Robotics Member

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This topic, like most others, has come up on this board on more than one
occasion. JB has been too modest in the past about his impact on the
industry.
Edited by Jon Godson on 07 May 2005 at 9:13pm
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John Byrne
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JB, a little deviation of the question, but where would
The first Chris Reeve Superman movie fit into your
"coolest comic book" moments?
*****
Not at all. It was, however, a very cool movie
moment.
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John Byrne
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The Dark Phoenix saga was, I am sure, a cool
comicbook moment for a whole flock of people.
Perhaps a whole "generation" of comicbook readers.
But there is a fairly large mountain of stuff that I
would have to put on the list before I got to my own
work.
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Jacob P Secrest Byrne Robotics Member

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Jon Godson wrote:
No, he pisses me off because his humility won't let him see what an
impact the Dark Phoenix Saga had on the comics industry. Aside from
the dozens of imitations, I believe it revived interest in comics and what
they could be in the 1980s. It raised the bar and challenged artists and
writers to make better comics, after a rather uninspired decade of the
70s. It was the father of the New Teen Titans (which revived DC), Levitz
and Giffen's Legion, Crisis on Infinite Earths, Batman & the Outsiders
(which brought Alan Davis to America). It inspired a legion of new
storytellers, some in the comics industry, some in other media. There are
a lot of opinions as to what the most influential story in comics has been,
but I'll bet this one is on EVERYBODY'S top ten list.
After I read the Dart Phoenix Saga at the age of 12, I didn't just want to
be a comic book artist, I wanted to be JOHN BYRNE.
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All that may be well and good, but this is the "coolest comic moment",
which would describe what was the coolest thing to happen in comics,
what you are describing is the most influencial comic moment, or at least
in your opinion.
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Jon Godson Byrne Robotics Member

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My coolest moment - finishing the Dark Phoenix Saga and being stunned by
it all - also turned out to be the most influential in the industry.
And yes, this is my opinion - isn't that true for everyone's posts?
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member

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SO hard to narrow it down, given that I have been reading comics for almost 35 years, but I'll go with the first three that came to mind:
01. Banshee and Marvel Girl learn Wolverine's claws are part of him.
02. Two words: Galactus Falls!
03. The Amazing Screw-On Head
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Ed Deans. Byrne Robotics Member

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When we see Alpha Flight together for the first time in Uncanny 121. That was perhaps the best "introduction" of a team.
Days of Future Past.
Dark Phoenix Saga.
Death of Sasquatch & finding Walter.
Galactus / Frankie Raye / Nova in FF.
Post-Crisis Legends.
I wish I could say I had others to pick but so many other things that
seemed like highlights have faded since. I'd put Man of Steel in
there, actually. It seems I was supposed to be getting at least two
Superman titles to keep up with things when I was only getting the new
Superman series and not Action too. Thus I never got the other half of
the Superboy/Legion story and from my view Byrne 'abandoned' Superman
quickly.
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