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John Byrne
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 8:11am | IP Logged | 1
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Bone claws, anyone?•• Actually dating back to when I was still on the book. Another of Chris' ideas to which I said "NO-OOHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"
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Robbie Moubert Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 9:01am | IP Logged | 2
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JB wrote:
We're well beyond the point at which Wolverine can really be considered "mysterious". |
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This. Back in the day I'd have been all for keeping Wolverine's origins secret, apart from the odd little teaser here and there. Now, if JB has a story he wants to tell, I say "Bring it on!"
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Eric Ladd Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 August 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 4506
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 9:16am | IP Logged | 3
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Bone claws smacked like Bat-Shark-Repellent.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 March 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 15729
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 9:52am | IP Logged | 4
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We're well beyond the point at which Wolverine can really be considered "mysterious". So many writers have picked ways--even slashed away--at his backstory, and even his present day details, there's hardly anything we can really say we don't know.--------------------------------------------------- This is, of course, true. But at the same time we can also say so many writers have found ways to pick away at Scott Summers character. The way you have addressed that is to ignore all the faux stuff and go back to depict him as was previously on-model. I don't see why the same shouldn't apply to Wolverine. A thing here or there to make it clear no-one knows anything about his past and Robert is your dad's brother.
Your comic, natch, so it's in your hands, but just my two penneth on how bound those hands actually are by any accumulated crud.
Edited to correct where I tried to be clever and got myself in knot!
Edited by Peter Martin on 28 November 2020 at 9:54am
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 9:58am | IP Logged | 5
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"Bone claws smacked like Bat-Shark-Repellent."
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Bone claws should also break the moment they try to slash through anything harder than flesh. Unless my knowledge of anatomy is WAY off.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6059
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 6
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JB: We're well beyond the point at which Wolverine can really be considered "mysterious".
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One effect of shoving Wolverine into the background again as you have in Elsewhen is that old feeling of desire. Wolverine isn't "the guy who knows everything." He isn't "the guy who sees everything clearer than anyone else." He's a loner in the group, coping with inner-demons that make him unpredictable and get him in trouble as often as they save the day. And, for the first time in a long time, I want more Wolverine -- just as I did back in the day.
It's hard to want "more" when, as has become the custom, Wolverine is kept at the center of everything.
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 30833
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | 7
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If nothing had been said of his origin for all these years, it would've been an easy no vote. But since so much shit has been piled on him thru the years, I'd rather have the version that was hinted at and somewhat intended for years.
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Philippe Pinoli Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 September 2004 Location: France Posts: 1331
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | 8
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I vote yes. Your call, JB !
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7581
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 5:01pm | IP Logged | 9
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JB says we are well past the point where Wolverine could be classed as mysterious.
I agree, but not @ the point of where Elsewhen is set. So, in the Schrödinger’s cat version of reality that is Elsewhen, where we don’t know what of what came later will be referenced, Wolverine remains a mystery. @ least in my mind.
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Rick Whiting Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | 10
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Wolverine is one of my favorite characters who I no longer find interesting or likeable due to several things that have been done to him over the last 25 years. Here are a list of things (in no particular order) that were done to Wolverine in the comics over the last 25 years that "ruined" the character for me.
1. Telling his origin (and what a crappy origin story it was).
2. Having him join the Avengers.
3. Over exposing him and having him have several solo books and being on several teams.
4. Making him a team leader.
5. Having his methods be both condoned and adapted by other heroes who have a strict code against killing. Which eliminated the drama and tension between him and other straight lace heroes with higher morals. It also made him a little less unique and special.
6. Making him a parent and a husband.
7. Introducing a bunch derivative Wolverine knockoffs, which made him even less unique and special.
8. Over powering him by ampping his healing factor up to the point that he is damn near invincible. Which makes him very boring.
9. Making him connected to and/or knowing damn near everyone in the MU.
10. Bone claws. Nuff said.
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Joe Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 November 2020 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 11
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I’ve doubled my membership dues this month. Please unleash the hounds on that origin.
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Phil Frances Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 November 2020 at 5:21am | IP Logged | 12
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I've never read that origin ( I steered clear of it and anything Wolverine-connected for many years, for most of the other reasons Rick so accurately listed there ), so I am genuinely curious -
In a medium where there's been a practice for previously 'known' facts or stories to have been over-turned/rewritten ( "Everything you know is wrong ... !" ) - often pretty poorly - how definitive is said Wolverine origin ?
Can it be smartly 'explained away' or has it ended up painting all subsequent writers into a proverbial corner ? Is the character effectively too far down the track for any sort of well-handled positive reset ?
As I said, a genuine question - I'm interested to hear any opinions on how much 'wriggle room' there might be.
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