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James Woodcock
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& there you have it. That, in a nutshell, is the issue.
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Bill Collins
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I don't think the Avengers issue that featured a rather
crass implied sexual act between a shrunken Hank Pym and
Janet was labelled R or for mature readers. I am pretty
broad minded, but that was just plain wrong.
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Shawn Kane
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I just kind of found that particular issue to be par for the course when Bill Jemas was in charge at Marvel.
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Craig Earl
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I remember seeing a breakfast TV interview with a concerned mother just after Raimi's first Spider-Man hit the cinemas. She was incensed about the violence in the scene where Uncle Ben's killer met his maker.
I often wonder if the average non-comic reader thinks that every Spider-Man comic is a copy of 'Spidey Super Stories'.
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Andrew Bitner
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Some old people probably think exactly that, Craig. Others might remember the comics of the 1950s and how violent/horrific some of those could be.
I proceed from the assumption that most people know only what they've seen in movies when it comes to comic books, and I've rarely been disappointed.
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John Byrne
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I often wonder if the average non-comic reader thinks that every Spider-Man comic is a copy of 'Spidey Super Stories'. ••• Civilian audiences and critics went wild for Tim Burton’s “dark” take on Batman, oblivious to the fact that it echoed what had been happening in comics for years.
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Craig Earl
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I wonder how many readers of 1973's 'The night Gwen Stacy died' happened to mention to their parents about it...
...and what mum and dad's reaction was!
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Craig Earl
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I proceed from the assumption that most people know only what they've seen in movies when it comes to comic books, and I've rarely been disappointed
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True. Every now and then I hear quiz contestants on TV proclaiming to be huge Spider-Man or Avengers fans. I automatically assume that they are talking about the movies rather than the comics, because in my experience that is often the case.
Edited by Craig Earl on 01 December 2020 at 12:45pm
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Eric Jansen
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I've just watched the first season of TITANS and, while I was expecting a "modern" "mature" take, I was a bit shocked at the Tarantino amount of f-bombs in every episode, including from Robin--who throws his R-emblem "shuriken" into people's eyes...and then violently retrieves it! I've only watched the first episode of DOOM PATROL, but same thing there.I'm amazed at the across-the-board attempt by DC to make its iconic institutions totally unsuitable for children--comics, TV, movies, even animation ("The Killing Joke" and more). It's not just "Let's make Superman appeal to adults too," it's more "Let's make everybody appeal to adults ONLY!"
Meanwhile, Marvel has made billions with their light-PG movies that truly do appeal to adults and children alike. What is DC thinking? |
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David Allen Perrin
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DC wanted to be “cool and mature”
Edited by David Allen Perrin on 02 December 2020 at 1:24am
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Rick Whiting
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DC wanted to be “cool and mature”
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DC has been trying to be "cool and mature" since early to mid 80's, while Marvel (with the exception of their magazine line from the 70's and early 80's,their graphic novel line,and the Epic line) have mostly kept their MU comics suitable for all ages up until the Jemas/Quesada regime when they started making the MU titles more "maturer" by getting rid of the CCA and ratcheting up the violence,language,and sexual innuendos in most of their standard comics. The funny thing is that the CCA approved Marcel superhero comics in the 80's and 90's regularly outsold the more mature DC superhero comics from that same time period. It wasn't until after Jemas/Quesada started calling the shots and started making Marvel books more mature that Marvel sales on average dropped down to around DC levels.
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Eric Sofer
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Just remember, "cool and mature" = "cold and old."
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