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John Byrne
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I'd had a naughty little background gag in mind, had I stayed on for the Jen/Herc "romance". From time to time, without comment, we'd see a new bed being delivered to Jen's apartment.
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Ted Pugliese
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That's funny!
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Ted Pugliese
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Specialist rule, right, Wallace? In my mind, because of
this, Hercules is stronger than Thor, Wonder Man, and even
the Hulk at rest; however, when he gets mad enough, Hulk is
strongest of all!!!
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John Byrne
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Introducing "real" mythology into the mix can muddy the waters big time. When Thor became part of the embryonic Marvel Universe he was merely Don Blake with Thor's powers. Once Asgard came into play, tho, the floodgates were opened.The gods in Marvel tend to be played a superscience on an unimaginable level, but still there are problems.
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Sam Karns
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It appeared the powers who were made an attempt at exploring Byrne's S'Hulk/ Herc angle with results you can judge for yourselves. Did anyone know about this???
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Wallace Sellars
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QUOTE:
Specialist rule, right, Wallace? In my mind, because of
this, Hercules is stronger than Thor, Wonder Man, and even
the Hulk at rest; however, when he gets mad enough, Hulk is
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Exactly, Ted!
That's why as much as I like the Sub-Mariner, in my head Namor is just shy of the Thing in strength (when dry).
Poor Power Man really has it bad though. He's strong and tough, but not as strong or tough as Ben or Colossus. Is he more agile? Maybe, but not enough to make much of a difference.
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Michael Penn
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Way back in X-MEN #6, when Magneto had trapped the out-of-the-water Sub-Mariner through the force of a Giant Magnetic Dynamo (ah, Stan!), Namor slammed down his fists to free himself and: "So shattering is the impact that it causes the entire isle to quiver" as that big ole magnet topples over. Seems a bit beyond Ben's strength-level, perhaps?
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John Byrne
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Back in those early X-MEN days, Ben had not reached the unimaginable levels his strength would eventually achieve. He still had to grunt and sweat a bit, which made him, in many ways, a more appealing character--at least to me!
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For sure more appealing! An "unimaginable" strength-level is even if not literal ultimately so hard to imagine that it's hard to depict, which means it's hard to tell good stories with.
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John Byrne
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When Marvel (read Jim Shooter) started using OHOTMU to quantify the strength levels of various characters (imposing more rules, in other words), my first response was to ask what some of those levels even meant. 100 ton range? What weighs 100 tons? How do we even conceptualize that?I go back to something I've said many times about the first Christopher Reeve Superman movie. The audience was suitably roused by his "healing" of the San Andreas fault, but every time I saw the film, the whole audience CHEERED when he ripped off the car door to get to Lois. A comprehensible feat.
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A large car can weigh up to 4000 lbs, i.e., 2 tons. A Space Shuttle aircraft can weigh up to 100 tons. Nevertheless, first and maybe still greatest iconic image of Superman?
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John Byrne
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Thing is, say "100 tons" to most people, and how many immediately think of the Space Shuttle?When Ben piled five or six cars one atop the other, in an early issue, I was IMPRESSED!
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