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Andrew Bitner
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JB, when you were doing X-MEN with Mr. Claremont back in the day... did he dislike Cyclops? Did he have any opinion on Scott Summers? Just curious- thanks!
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 28 March 2024 at 7:27pm | IP Logged | 2
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No memory, really. What I mostly recall is Shooter ordering me to beef up my Cyclops, to “make him look like a hero”. Ironic in the context of a few years later, when his command for X-FACTOR was to remind us all that the character was “Slim” Summers.
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Brian Miller
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What would the range of his optic blasts be?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 29 March 2024 at 2:08am | IP Logged | 4
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Haven’t given that any thought.
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Michael Penn
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| Posted: 29 March 2024 at 11:37am | IP Logged | 5
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I don't know that Chris Claremont "disliked" Cyclops. But he certainly made the character different from Lee-Kirby's original conception.
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Daniel Gillotte
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I don't know, I think it was later writers that took Cyclops off track more than Claremont.
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Daniel Gillotte
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I also think Cyclops suffered from being the "boss" in an era when that was NOT kewl to fans. So, even if written well a certain segment of the fanbase would dislike him.
edited for clarity
Edited by Daniel Gillotte on 29 March 2024 at 1:54pm
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Petter Myhr Ness
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My first time encountering Cyclops was during the Byrne/Claremont run, I thought he was a really cool character. He was a leader in the best sense. That seemed to change quickly after JB left, though.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 29 March 2024 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | 9
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We all remember the scene with Scott and Ororo in the Savage Land, which Chris scripted differently from how we had plotted it, so a deep dive into Scott’s personality became a feminist screed from Storm. It was at that moment Cyclops became “a dick” in the eyes of many readers—something that stuck for years after.
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Mark Haslett
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Danial: I don't know, I think it was later writers that took Cyclops off
track more than Claremont.
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Chris created a permanent-ish dog leg in Cyclops by trying to force
Madalyne Pryor into the story. Marrying Scott off for retirement with a
Jean Grey lookalike (after one more go-around with Dark Phoenix)
when he just met her? That put enough barnacles on him to make him
unrecognizable.
Unfortunately, this was right when the book shot into the stratosphere.
“Broken” Scott was who most readers “met” when they got on board.
He wasn’t the “boss”— he was the loony ex-boss with a wife.
Then X-Factor compounded all of this…
Oh, thank the non-maker we got Elsewhen!
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Rebecca Jansen
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I think Paul Smith was able to make Cyc a bit slimmer again, at least he looked that way to me. This is just before the 'extreme age' where all males bar Dr. Strange seemed to get Hulk sized muscles, Hulk got bizarrely proportioned, and the women had their spines broken at the same point to keep their butts out at weird angles and their boobs got filled with gravity-defying helium.
That exchange between Storm and Cyclops made me think Storm could be a snarky jerk. Told him to 'grow up' basically and then flounced off where he wanted somebody to talk to and maybe relationship advice. Also that was about where he looked into some water and there was something about how he looked liked Corsair of The Starjammers (I never understood how stars were to be jammed myself, but I thought that two issue mini thing on their own was a lot of fun).
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ron bailey
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There are definitely some areas of opportunity to Cyclops' character that haven't been explored much in favor of the wild directions that were taken under the stewardship of later creative teams with his relatives, his relationships, and lineage in the future. His early friction with Wolverine about strategy and tactics touched more upon his character than did any romantic challenge that was presented with Jean.
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