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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 24 April 2024 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | 1
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I think there is loads of evidence from doing things 'the hard way', so even more will not matter to the fanatic or the manufacturer with a cash register where their heart should be. The vast majority of people appear in poll after poll, even narrowed to NRA members, to favor restrictions, so the problem must be a party being controlled by a minority via threat of 'primarying' out anyone pro regulations, plus direct funding by the cash register lobby.
I was arguing this stuff in the print media over thirty years ago, my BF on local television in a major city about guns on campuses. Rather than progress made it's been actively going backwards most of that time, with the little people on the streets and even in gated communities 'learning' the hard way. I thought with Gabrielle Gifford's attack following all the posturing gun symbolic rhetoric now more open and violent than ever things might have changed (did she have to die perhaps?), and of course after Sandy Hook Elementary.
Over thirty years ago I saw a civilian arms escalation, I guess it was also a prediction. Once you reach a certain number of millions, a pretense of military level lethality, and regulations rolling back and forth, though people may say they are wanting fewer guns what they actually do, some of them, enough of them, is get armed up themselves 'in case'. Not a society where it's everybody for themselves, don't/can't trust police, and it's never going to work out for the minority. Even without a gun anybody fitting a profile is reacted to based on what is known to be out there... how many times that has to repeat? 'Armed' with a mobile device at night acting 'strangely' in a relative's yard trying to get reception, a female teacher on their way to work seen as 'possibly armed' behind the wheel of a car and not instantly obeying commands, ducking out of the rain with a bag of skittles but somehow 'armed with a sidewalk'. Canaries in the coal mine all. Ten thousand more won't get through. That critical mass tipped awhile ago and some opportunists are still going to ride it either to the bank or to office of power where they can roll things back in the name of equality, freedom and/or liberty.
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Peter Hicks
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| Posted: 25 April 2024 at 12:38am | IP Logged | 2
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“I really don’t get this thought process that the solution to guns is more
guns.
If only there were case studies where someone had said let’s not do that &
see what happens.”*********** There is exactly such a case study! It’s called Canada. It’s the most similar society to the USA on Earth, except we have very restrictive gun laws. The result is :
4.31 US had 4.31 deaths per 100,000 people in 2021. That was more than seven times as high as the rate in Canada, which had 0.57 deaths per 100,000 people (NPR, 2023)
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 25 April 2024 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | 3
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I was being facetious Peter
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Steven Myers
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| Posted: 26 April 2024 at 12:52am | IP Logged | 4
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Canada is one of the top ten countries when it comes to gun ownership. Yet they are much safer due to just a few laws.
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Robert Bradley
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| Posted: 26 April 2024 at 11:18am | IP Logged | 5
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- Submit to a background check - Pass a psychological evaluation - Receive 40 hours of firearms training - Submit their fingerprints
And yet we can't have all gun owners submit to the same type of scrutiny and training?
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 26 April 2024 at 12:38pm | IP Logged | 6
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Of course not, Robert. That’s infringing on their 2nd amendment rights.
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Tim Cousar
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| Posted: 26 April 2024 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | 7
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And the governor signed it. Link
Edited by Tim Cousar on 26 April 2024 at 11:18pm
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Tim Cousar
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| Posted: 26 April 2024 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | 8
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Keep in mind that Gov. Lee has also been pushing for state money going to private schools run by the Heritage Foundation.
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 27 April 2024 at 2:23pm | IP Logged | 9
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All while telling the state we have the dumbest public school teachers in the
country. Luckily it was shot down this session.
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