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John McMahon
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WE3 really was something else - normally that kind of stuff, which
plays so blatently at pulling the old heart strings, wouldn't work for
me but it was the business. Is gud!
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Roger A Ott II
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Chris Jones wrote:
| I think it'll be fine, M***** however is becoming unreadable, I don't recognize any of the characters anymore, they all slid into another dimension and were replaced by evil doppelgangers. |
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And that would be all the explanation I would need, if it could be true.
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Chuck Wells
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God bless Brendon Howard! I completely agree with his fine comment on page one of this thread.
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Rey Madrinan
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Morrison's always been hit and miss with me, but I have enjoyed a good deal of his stuff. I'll give him a chance.
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Jacob P Secrest
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Rey, I agree totally, hit and miss.
I've read three of his things, Animal Man, which I loved, Arkham Asylum,
which had so much potential but was ruined by Morrison's "overly angry
brat who yells at random intervals" take on Batman, and Marvel Boy,
which I thought was a complete waste of time and paper (and I am so
thankful I got it out of the library or it would be a waste of something else
as well).
Edited by Jacob P Secrest on 21 June 2005 at 12:46pm
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Rey Madrinan
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I totally adored Morrison's stuff on Justice League, his X-men stuff I didn't care for. Animal man was cool, too.
I agree with the Arkham Asylum assessment, as well. Neve read Marvel boy, probably won't now. :P
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Bill Wiist
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After thinking about it some more ...
I like the idea of dusting off and refurbishing old or
little used characters.
Morrison's strength does seem to be as an idea
man. His execution is hit or miss with me and - from
what I've observed - most people.
So, in a way, this move makes some sense on DC's
part. But what I'm uneasy with is just one or two
creators being in charge of all the refurbishing. Why
not get lots of creators involved in this process and
have one or two editors coordinate? As many ideas
as Morrison has I would think he's going to get stale
after a while (probably a short while).
But, as has been pointed out already, at least DC
has the sense enough to limit Morrison's
refurbishing to forgotten characters.
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Brian Lockhart
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I find the comments that Morrison doesn't "get" Superheros or
write them well just mindboggling. Simply - utterly -
mindboggling.
Sorry folks, but this is the guy who revitalized JLA and made it a
1 seller again for DC, NOT by pulling the book and characters
into a grim n' gritty reality but by polishing up these icons,
placing them in imaginative stories against world-shaking
threats and making us BELIEVE again in a gathering of the
world's greatest superheros. Hmmm ... Sounds awfully Silver
Agish to me, particularly since I own the first two JLA Archives
as a basis of comparison. The man can't write superheros?
Please.
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Andrew Hilsmann
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Though I find him a rather cold writer emotionally, Morrison definitely seems to oscillate wildly between excellent, dare I say, brilliant work and his Can-You-Believe-Those-Tossers-Pay-Me-To-Write-This-Sh ite? esthetic. When I come across writing by him I like, like the JLA: Earth2 trade and especially the recent WE3 trade, both with Frank Quitely, it can be amazing stuff. Whether Morrison does his best work on drugs or off of them, only his dealer knows for sure.
Edited by Andrew Hilsmann on 22 June 2005 at 2:16am
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James C. Taylor
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Brian Lockhart wrote:
| Sorry folks, but this is the guy who revitalized JLA and made it a
#1 seller again for DC, not by pulling the book and characters
into a grim n' gritty reality but by polishing up these icons,
placing them in imaginative stories against world-shaking
threats and making us believe again in a gathering of the
world's greatest superheroes. Hmmm ... Sounds awfully Silver
Agish to me... |
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In fairness, I can't say I have read his Justice League, but the
inclusion of Plastic Man on the roster, the likening of them to the
Greek Pantheon, the idea that having Green Arrow on the squad was "your
father's Justice League" all say to me that he's one of those writers
who has ideas and shoehorns characters into them, rather than having
ideas about characters. He may be able to write superhoes that
you enjoy, but there's nothing "Silver Agish" about him to me.
And I never stopped being able to believe in the Justice League. DC stopped believing in them.
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Robert White
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Do Morrison fans enjoy his best comics in the same way, or at least to
the same degree, that JB fans enjoy his best work? I ask this because I
have observed a trend with creators like Morrison where it's more about
the cult of personality than about the comics. With JB, it's ALL about
the comics.
And while we are on Morrison...
Why does Michael Moorcock dislike him so?
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Ethan Van Sciver
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Bill Wiist wrote:
Sorry if this has already been covered elsewhere, but
it looks like DC is handing over the creative reigns of
their universe mostly to Grant Morrison.
Not sure if I'm completely comfortable with that idea!
However, it got me dreaming of what it would be like
if JB were given similar powers at Marvel. I know, I
know. I'm dreaming. Let me dream.
Here's the link:
Grant Morrison's in charge of what? |
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So...too much power for Grant Morrison, just enough power for John Byrne?
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