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John Byrne
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It is hard to believe, but it's nine years today since Mark Gruenwald died. Or, as Howard Mackie noted, perhaps this is merely the ninth anniversary of Gruenie's longest prank ever.Either way -- he is still missed. Those of us who knew him can draw some small solace from the thought that somewhere out there in the Multiverse there is a Mark Gruenwald who continues to work in a healthy, exciting comicbook industry, where Marvel Comics continues to publish the kind of books Mark loved so much.
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Steve Merritt Byrne Robotics Member

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Amen to that.
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Darren Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

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"Those of us who knew him can draw some small solace from the thought that somewhere out there in the Multiverse there is a Mark Gruenwald who continues to work in a healthy, exciting comicbook industry, where Marvel Comics continues to publish the kind of books Mark loved so much. "-John Byrne
There's a nice thought.
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Eric Freed Byrne Robotics Member

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I always had the impression that Mark Gruenwald was the only editor in comics who really cared about the integrity of the characters. Marvel hasn't been the same since his passing. RIP.
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Jan Bentzen Byrne Robotics Member

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I didn´t know Mr. Gruenwald, but the way John describes him, he must have been a real gentleman. But I know his name was in many of the books I liked so much in those days.
- Jan
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member

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His presence in the industry is sorely missed.
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Francesco Vanagolli Byrne Robotics Member

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Mr. Gruenwald is one of these man in the industry loved by everyone. It doesn't happen really often.
Last year an Italian site, ComicUS, produced a special pdf tribute about him, with reviews and interview: he was very appreciated here, too.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member

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Mark Gruenwald is missed both as editor and as a writer. My first Gruenwald story was Spiderwoman (published in french Nova n°46 (Lug) with Spiderwoman and the Shroud on the cover) it was Spiderwoman #13 Shroud/Nekra part.1 (Writer: Mark Gruenwald, Artist: Carmine Infantino, Inker: Al Gordon, Editor: Roger Stern) or issue #14 (Shroud/Nekra part 2) I read the following issue (part 3.) too, and after that it was probably Marvel Team-Up Projet Pegasus (Gruenwald/Macchio/Byrne/Sinnott).
He proved himself a very good artist too with the Hawkeye limited series where he was both Writer and artist.
On Captain America I liked very much "Streets of Poison" and I read Quasar, which was a very good series.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 12 August 2005 at 8:03am
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Ben Laughlin Byrne Robotics Member

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I loved all that stuff too.
And Squadron Supreme, and D.P. 7, and probably other things I can't think of at the moment.
And what about M's Rems? (Mark's Remarks, for anyone left headscratching!) Fascinating stuff. It was always great to reach the end of the story in a comic, and then find you'd got Mark's column to read. (A bit like A Flame About This High in JBNM!)
I seem to recall there's a website where someone's posted all the old M's Rems columns...? Can anyone provide a link? I'd love to re-read them.
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Andy Smith Byrne Robotics Member

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He was a great guy! My first monthly book was Quasar written by Mark. He was a real joy to work with and know.
andy
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Steven McCauley Byrne Robotics Member

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I seem to recall there's a website where someone's posted all the old M's Rems columns...? Can anyone provide a link? I'd love to re-read them.
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This page seems to have a lot of them: http://www.geocities.com/mh_prime/remarks.html
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John Harris Byrne Robotics Member

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I never met Mark but I REALLY enjoyed his work! He was a wonderful talent. I can't tell you how many times I've read his Squadron Supreme mini series. He was a true comic book pro.
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member

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The Captain America No More arc was great. Intelligent, ambitious,
complex, long and yet accessible to all ages from issue to issue, whichever
one you picked up first. Well done, Mark.
I am also one of the fans to whom he entrusted the care of his remains. I
own one of the Squadron Supreme trades.
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Bill Dowling Byrne Robotics Member

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That Squadron Supreme thing really skeeves me out for some reason. I
loved the limited series when I read it as it came out, but just
hearing about it now gives me the willies.
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Aaron Leach Byrne Robotics Member

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Those of us who knew him can draw some small solace from the thought that somewhere out there in the Multiverse there is a Mark Gruenwald who continues to work in a healthy, exciting comicbook industry, where Marvel Comics continues to publish the kind of books Mark loved so much.
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Yeah, I just wish it was our Universe.
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Glenn Moane Byrne Robotics Member

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I've sometimes wondered about which position the Gru would have had in Marvel had he been alive today. Would he merely have his little corner in the MU, like Tom DeFalco have with his Spider-Girl title and other projects, or would he be a creative consultant to Joe Queaseda. I'm not too sure if he would have been to dissatisfied with the state of things, as the characters are much better handled now than they were in the 90's. (my humble opinion, but I'm referring to the constant costume changes and the horrible storylines that many titles suffered from)
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 December 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4057
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I recall reading (I think JB mentioned it) that if Gruenwald had not died he
might have switched over to DC. I would have loved to see Gruenwald
writing what has often been said to have been his favorite title, JLA; he
already wrote one of the best Justice League stories ever in Squadron
Supreme.
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Glenn Moane Byrne Robotics Member

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Yeah, that would be cool. But even better, to see him create a more personal work, maybe something like a autobigraphy.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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GM: "I'm not too sure if he would have been to dissatisfied with the state
of things, as the characters are much better handled now than they were
in the 90's. (my humble opinion, but I'm referring to the constant
costume changes and the horrible storylines that many titles suffered
from)"
Costume changes aren't necessarily a bad thing.
Some would say the stories Marvel is currently producing are pretty horrible too.
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Glenn Moane Byrne Robotics Member

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Zhang: Some would indeed say that, and I bet someone have said that about Marvel Comics, regardless of what era they were produced in.
But if you take a look for example at Daredevil in the 90's, or the Spider-Man titles, wouldn't you agree that (if you read them, that is) these books are in a slightly better shape now? I mean, clones in the Spider-titles, and that phony new identity that Murdock took on before the Marvel Knights reboot?
Costume changes does not need to be a bad thing, no. But change just for the sake of change, is just silly. (Look at the 90's Thor costume, for example)
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security

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He was a great writer and editor who is sorely missed. I'm gonna find me some of his Captain America books and read them today in his honor.
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Glenn Greenberg Byrne Robotics Member

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Eric Freed wrote:
I always had the impression that Mark Gruenwald was the only editor in
comics who really cared about the integrity of the characters.
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I wouldn't go QUITE that far.
I'd say he was one of the few. :-)
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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If by "better shape" you mean how a fan's daydream would look and read if were actually published, I guess it is "better".
Marvel from the 90's was at least still accessible to a broader audience. Now its not even trying.
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Bill Lukash Byrne Robotics Member

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Squadron Supeme is totally under rated. I love that series.
His run on Captain America was a classic. Sure, some of the story
lines got a bit wonky at times, but I think he really tried to figure
out "who is Steve Rogers" and "what does Captain America
represent." More importatnly he gave us some good coimcs to read.
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Glenn Moane Byrne Robotics Member

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Zhang: I couldn't disagree more. Marvels books today are a LOT more accessible to other audiences now than for some years.
I can only speak for the titles I read, but for example Ultimate Spider-Man has a light and easy plot which is not hard to get into at all, and it (as many other titles) has a opening page at the start which tells you in a few words about what has been going on before.
And I you picked up an issue of Uncanny X-Men during the 90's Bob Harras era that you love so much, you might have understood the point if you'd been following the other X-titles for years.
The shape of Marvel Comics in the 90's were the reason I stopped reading them, and I probably wouldn't have come back if it weren't for the changes made by Joe q and others. But I still miss the Gru, and I still read Squadron Supreme at least twice a year.
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