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Joe Hollon
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I posted this question in another thread but I think it got burried
(or ignored).

Anyway, did Curt Swan ever do any work on any Marvel
characters? I've come to love his 60s Superman work and try
to imagine what his Spider-Man, Captain America, FF, etc
would have looked like. Swan seems like a "DC Guy" to me in
the same way Ditko and Kirby are "Marvel Guys".
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I think Swan's only Marvel work was a spot illo of Gladiator for Marvel
Universe.
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I've said this before but a FF story written by JB and drawn by Curt Swan,
with the Super-Skrull or maybe Galactus popping in, would have been
heaven!
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Curt Swan also drew Mask for Marvel. Mask was licenced comic and based on a line of toys.
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I've said this before but a FF story written by JB and drawn by Curt Swan,
with the Super-Skrull or maybe Galactus popping in, would have been
heaven!
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Or a Superman/FF crossover story written by JB and drawn by Curt Swan, would be a slice of the heavenly pie as well.
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Swan created some of the greatest superhero comic covers of
all-time. Pick up just about any random Superman comic by
him and it will just beg you to read the story inside.
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Related Curt Swan topic:

Anyone notice that around the end of the 70s Curt Swan art
stopped looking like Curt Swan? Did DC decide his style was
not hip enough and assign him inkers that would "modernize"
his work or was he intentionally doing less detailed pencils? I
wonder about this because I love his 60s work so much and
though he continued on doing regular Superman work into the
80s most of the stuff does not look like Swan to me.
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"Curt Swan also drew Mask for Marvel. Mask was licenced comic and based on a line of toys."

It was DC Comics that held the license.  Not M****l.

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Didn't know Curt Swan drew M.A.S.K. It was one of my favorite comics as a kid and I remember liking the art a lot.
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"Anyone notice that around the end of the 70s Curt Swan art
stopped looking like Curt Swan? Did DC decide his style was
not hip enough and assign him inkers that would "modernize"
his work or was he intentionally doing less detailed pencils? I
wonder about this because I love his 60s work so much and
though he continued on doing regular Superman work into the
80s most of the stuff does not look like Swan to me."

I didn't notice any big change but for a little while in the 80's he was inked
by Al Williamson and I thought the results were beautiful.
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Joe - depended on Curt's inkers - Murphy Anderson (70s) and Geo Klein (60s) did a great job on his pencils. In the 70s to compete with Marvel, they opened up their storytelliung and many stories have bizarre angles and panel placements - the post Steranko/Adams influence.  

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Taavi Suhonen wrote:"Didn't know Curt Swan drew M.A.S.K. It was one of my favorite comics as a kid and I remember liking the art a lot."

Now you know why.  Curt Swan was a rare master; he could draw anything any writer asked him to, and his pencils were an inker's dream (though some found their completeness in detail somewhat intimidating).  Perhaps our esteemed host would care to weigh in with his thoughts on Mr. Swan's exquisite pencils, as he is one of those fortunate individuals who had the privilege of applying the India ink over the man's graphite linework.  JB, sir?

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"Superman: the Earth Stealers" is an example of Swan not
really looking much like Swan to me....Ordway did his usual
"trick" to the pencils....
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Remember the early issue of New Teen Titans he drew? I had to look twice and make sure Perez wasn't actually doing the art. I'm sure having Tanghal ink it made it even more Perez-ish.
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Joe Hollon: Anyone notice that around the end of the 70s Curt Swan art
stopped looking like Curt Swan? Did DC decide his style was
not hip enough and assign him inkers that would "modernize"
his work or was he intentionally doing less detailed pencils?...

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I think it was just that Murphy Anderson for some reason left and that is what you are referring to (?) more or less. In a Swedish interview Swan explained that there were less detailed drawings he from time to time had to do very quickly on demand. Sometimes he chose not to sign them "Swan" since he wasn't pleased. I don't want to get into more detail, afraid to misqoute, but it was an interview by a Swedish artist, Sture Hegerfors in the 70's and this was came out of the interview.

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"It was DC Comics that held the license.  Not M****l."
It was? I've allways thought it was Marvel because it was published under Semic's Satellite series and I thought all of those were Marvel's (if I recall it right Alf was also Satellite series as well as Masters of the Universe).
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To Veli: Satellitforlaget had nothing to do with Marvel or DC and whatever. Recall that Superman was also under the label Satellitforlaget. They just moved some chairs across the street to an empty office more or less, that was what it was. Some of the confusion may come from the fact that "The Marvel Universe" and Marvel, Marvelklubben issue number XXX was also the label more or less, except the official Marvel logo that never appeared. They had their own Marvel Club logo looking like Spider-man, anyway Marvel was mentioned all over the place, but never DC. Then it was just Semic or, as later, that satellite logo.

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It seems to me that Swan did an illo or two for the Marvel Handbook series -- I think Gladiator was his.

Most of Swan's later-period DC work was inked by people like Dave Hunt, Kurt Schaffenberger and the afore-mentioned Al Williamson, none of who were big on redrawing.  Williamson and Bob Oksner were my favorite Swan inkers, but in both cases, I preferred their work when the did their own pencilling, too.

During the 1970s, Julius Schwartz encouraged Swan to add more energy to his layouts, in contrast to the more sedate Weissenger approach that had gone before.  Joe Kubert provided some tips.



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I never much liked any Swan inker after Murphy Anderson left.  They all seemed either a bit too scratchy (Oksner, Chiaramonte) or else a bit too heavy-handed (Dave Hunt).  My all-time favorite Swan inker was George Klein (he also was my favorite Buscema inker).  He had a good basic style which brought out the best in the pencils without ever overpowering them.  Hey, did Dan Adkins ever ink Swan?  I bet he would have been a good match. 

I wonder why Swan didn't ink himself more?  The only example I've seen is page one of Adventure 369  (the rest of the issue was inked by Jack Abel).  Swan's inking style is not what I'd have expected... it's flowery, almost Barry Smithy.
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Lars,
Superman or Marvel superhero books wasn't part of Satellite in Finland. Or at least there wasn't Satellite logo on cover (or I just don't remember it). But was there a little TIE fighter (Star Wars) on that Satellite logo some time? That may be the cause to my error. Back then Star Wars was still at Marvel.
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Funny you mention Curt Swan. I'm in the middle of reading through a huge run of Action Comics. Lots of Swan goodness there. Even the craptastic Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. As stories go, it had some great art.
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Possibly insighting thread drift but somewhat appropriate
relationship to Curt Swan:

What do you guys prefer, post Man of Steel era Superman or
Pre-Crisis Superman? How do you distinguish them in your
head?

For me I am able to easily separate them into two entities in my
head and enjoy them both. I absolutely love the Silver Age
Superman stories but I accept that his adventures ended in the
mid-80s (or so). I think JB did an excellent job updating the
character and he works much better for modern comics in his
current format. Anyone else?
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With all due respect to our host, whenever I think of Superman, it's always the Curt Swan-Murphy Anderson version that springs to mind first (I guess because that's the one I read growing up).  But when I've been thinking for a few seconds, I see George Reeves, then Christopher Reeve. This is not, mind you, an order of conscious preference, it's just what leaps (in a single bound) to my mind's eye when I hear the word "Superman". 

Dan Adkins did ink a few Swan issues, but I'm at work now and can't lay my hands on them (and, hell, even if I was home, my collection is in such spectacular disarray that I couldn't get to 'em, anyway).  Perhaps some organized soul out there might lend a hand (since the on-line listings I've occasionally referenced are usually somewhat innaccurate).

If I recall correctly, in an old interview Curt wished he had enough time to ink his own pencils, but felt it was more profitable to have others ink his pencils so he could spend that time penciling another book, instead. 

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Curt Swan did ink his pencils once or twice. Superman annual #9 was one.

I don't remember which Superman's Dan Adkins inked but I do know he
inked Swan in LSH #300.
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"Superman: the Earth Stealers" is an example of Swan not
really looking much like Swan to me....Ordway did his usual
"trick" to the pencils

 

What "tricks" might those be?

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