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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 16430
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 10:09am | IP Logged | 1
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Gerry wrote:
has anyone seen the George Perez dvd?
he erases almost everything he draws! i was quite surprised to see how much he rubs out. the end results are worth it though! |
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That's a fun DVD, btw. The only thing I was bummed about is that the producer didn't plan it so that we got to see the finished art for the project George Perez was working on.
JB, I, too, used to draw directly with a pen when I was a youngster. Also, on my homemade comics, I used to "ink" directly with my pencils. As I got older, I started to sketch out the art before I would ink it, or the like. I did notice that this slowed me down, though it did improve the overall look of the art.
I used to use my eraser quite a bit for effects even as a young teen. I would draw those lines that respresented streaks of light in glass, for instance, and erase streaks into those in the opposite direction to give a more reflective appearance to the glass. I also used the eraser for explosions, and whatever else I could think to apply the technique to.
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 9704
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 11:20am | IP Logged | 2
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JB, the paper stock DC sends its pencillers is 50# Bristol White, isn't it? Lars,
think heavy paper stock, heavier than most greeting cards.
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Brad Brickley Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 8286
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 11:33am | IP Logged | 3
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JB,
Ever get to the point on a page where you just go the heck with it,
good enough for government work? I know in my own life that I'm
my own worst critic. I notice something that would bug the heck
out of me, but others wouldn't see.
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Mike Sweeney Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 318
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 4
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That's what deadlines are great for, Brad. I've got stuff I'd still be
playing with if the show hadn't opened already.
(And then I keep all the working drafts so "some day" I can get back
to it and do that final polishing and try that effect I wanted.......)
Good thought about erasing. I knew the white-out trick but hadn't
made the connection to pencils.
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Peter Hicks Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 April 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1891
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | 5
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JB
1. Do you keep a sheet under the heel of your hand to prevent any skin moisture from getting into the page?
2. Further to what others have asked above, in a standard 22 page issue, about how many panels strike you as really being "perfect", versus "sufficient for deadline"?
3. What, if anything, do you find hardest to draw?
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Darren Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 22 April 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 5994
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 6
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Here John, [just incase you are still using your standard eraser to do this with] try these:
http://www.yoyoykc.com.tw/detail/17065/17065.html
You can refil them to:
http://www.yoyoykc.com.tw/detail/17068/17068.html
Another alternative is a white pencil. I use a Rexel Cumberland [now
I'm thinking of sausages] Derwen drawing pencil...in Chinese White. You
might find it a little "waxy" for your purposes [although it takes the
ink well in any shape or form]
Or you gould do the "digital" thing, keeping in line with your
"filling-in-the-blacks" technique on the MAC. Just draw with your
regular pencil the effect you are after, turn -that- white and overlay
it on your pencils.
Thanks for the insight John, I love hearing about your work processes.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 3:08pm | IP Logged | 7
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Ever get to the point on a page where you just go the heck with it, good enough for government work?***** An important lesson I had to learn, to keep my sanity, was "Get it right the next time." Terry Austin uses the phrase "Close enough for comics!" Basically --- if you labor over a piece, you will most likely end up with a piece that looks (drumroll) labored. Better to let the evolution happen when it wants to.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 3:11pm | IP Logged | 8
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1. Do you keep a sheet under the heel of your hand to prevent any skin moisture from getting into the page? *** In the summer, yes. 2. Further to what others have asked above, in a standard 22 page issue, about how many panels strike you as really being "perfect", versus "sufficient for deadline"? *** I have never drawn a perfect panel, and the day I do I will retire! But sometimes I come close enough that I can look at the work and think "Some day everything will be at this level!" Of course, even as I think it, I know that when that day comes there will be something else that bugs me about my work! 3. What, if anything, do you find hardest to draw? *** Quadrupeds!!
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Guests Byrne Robotics Visitor
Joined: 01 October 2003 Posts: -26
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 3:18pm | IP Logged | 9
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My friend uses something like this (an elctric eraser) to achieve the
effects he want with pencils like this.
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Chris Yeoman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 July 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2371
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | 10
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This is off subject, but whenever I see comic pages in pencil they look
so clean and tidy, whenever I draw, the page usually ends up grey lol.
Does that ever happen to you JB?
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Mark Griffin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 8:24pm | IP Logged | 11
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"My friend uses something like this (an elctric eraser) to achieve the effects he want with pencils like this. "
When my friend found out they make electric erasers, he wondered if the next big thing would be electric paper.
That was years ago and still makes me laugh.
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Lars Johansson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 24 October 2005 at 11:45pm | IP Logged | 12
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Thanks, JB.
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John Mietus: Lars,
think heavy paper stock, heavier than most greeting cards.
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Thanks, John, I am stupid, I should know, I have seen the cardboard. I
would proabably have no problem tearing and wrinkling that anyway.
Sometimes i have seen the artist paste new items on. One artist here in
Sweden took the time to show me a head pasted on, when he wasn't
pleased, this was when he disliked the inked head. I have also God
forbid seen the editor (will keep him anonymous) having pasted over the
original inked art (Dick Giordano's).
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