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Jason Fulton
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Gray armor for the gray hair, of course. In the merry m***** tradition!
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Mike Bunge
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Okay, try these links then. My first link postings! Whoo-hooo.
Marvel blows it on new Spidey title
Spiderman the Other Part 2 - Great story, bad art
Mike
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Matt Reed
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Good job, Mike! You follow directions like you were born to it!
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Jason Fulton
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Wow, you had some zingers in there, Mike Bunge.
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Brian Miller
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It's weird to see some of the same criticisms being thrown at PAD that are constantly shoved in the direction of JB. It's as if they just had interchangable names in some of the attacks.
edited to add: And after reading the first page and a hlaf of the first thread Mike offered, I have to say he deserves every bit of it. He seems downright insulted that someone would have the nerve not to buy his book and then tell him the reason they don't want to buy it. Geeze. This is the first thing I've ever read that David had posted on a forum. It may not be the last, but I sure ain't gonna be looking for anything else.
Edited by Brian Miller on 07 December 2005 at 2:37pm
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Andrew W. Farago
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Can anyone tell what's happening on the page
posted above? I know Latveria's not the cheeriest
place in the world, but the whole page is just a wash
of brown and red. Murky coloring combined with
unclear storytelling on the artist's part (could anyone
tell what was going on here without Spider-Man
saying "Look, an open window!" and his
announcement that a fish was attacking him?)...and
this is SPIDER-MAN. If Marvel's going to publish one
book that's kid-friendly, it should be Spider-Man.
One of the most recognizable cartoon characters in
the world, one who can sell toys, underoos,
toothpaste and pretty much anything else, star of
Saturday morning cartoons since the 1960s--and
he's starring in convoluted, poorly-executed comics
that feature him getting his eyes eaten, murdering
people with his claws and finding out that his college
sweetheart had a thing for older supervillains. I'm
not saying that Amazing Spider-Man has to read the
same as Spidey Super-Stories, but Spider-Man
shouldn't scare the hell out of kids (or adults) either.
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Glenn Greenberg
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Wow... I haven't seen that level of HARSHNESS on a message board in a
long time.
Now I remember why I've pretty much limited myself to just this one!
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Mike Bunge
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Yeah, comicon.com can be pretty rough. Looking back, there are sometimes when I think I was too harsh in my comments. Which is what makes me appreciate places like this where the discussion, even when heated, stays pretty much on the high road.
I do think places like comicon.com are useful as a way to peek into the conscious and subconscious animosity that exists between fans and pros and amongst those two groups.
Mike
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Glenn Greenberg
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Uh, yeah, Mike, you were no angel, to say the least.
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Glenn Greenberg
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All I know is, every time I hear something else about "The Other" and the
future plans for Spider-Man, I get a little more queasy, so I'm trying to
avoid it as much as possible. (Although the guy whose office is right next
to mine is currently reading the Spider-Man books and he keeps giving
me updates!)
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Brian Miller
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edited because I sometimes don't get it on the first go-around
Edited by Brian Miller on 07 December 2005 at 3:48pm
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Mike Bunge
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"Uh, yeah, Mike, you were no angel, to say the least."
Yeah, Peter David pushed one of my buttons when he called an anonymous poster a douche bag and then tried to pretend HE was behaving professionally. I'm not adverse to mud slinging, but I can't stand when people do that and try and pretend their hands are clean. I respond poorly when I think that's happening, even if it isn't happening to me.
Mike
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Howard Mackie
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<<Wow... I haven't seen that level of HARSHNESS on a
message board in a long time.>>
Glenn,
Doesn't it just give you a nice warm and fuzzy feeling
for those non-controversial days of the Clone storyline?
Best,
Howard
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Victor Rodgers
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Reading that and seeing the type of attitude displayed by David. Im reminded of the saying about beggers and choosers.
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John Byrne
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any attack on JMS regarding a story in which Peter is also involved puts Peter in an uncomfortable position.**** Sitting on that ridiculous wrist-spike would be a good start.
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John Byrne
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"I can't walk as fast as you," says Aunt May as she runs like a football fullback. At least, from what I can tell, looking at that smear of mud and blood passing for a page.Comics have become everything Dr. Wertham said they were. And worse, they have become what I used to be afraid they would become when I was a kid, and "modern art" was all the rage. FEH.
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Steve Horton
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That explains it! Wertham... was from the FUTURE!
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Matt Hawes
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Imagine if Wertham had seen that close-up of a french kiss between Black Widow and Tony Stark in this week's "The Ultimates"!!!
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Steve Horton
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They showed the tongues and everything? Ewwww, that's not right.
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Joe Zhang
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"
All I know is, every time I hear something else about "The Other" and the
future plans for Spider-Man,"
They have future plans. That's funny.
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Roger A Ott II
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Matt Hawes: Imagine if Wertham had seen that close-up of a french kiss between Black Widow and Tony Stark in this week's "The Ultimates"!!!
I sure am glad I don't waste my money on stuff like that.
I personally like to keep my softcore porn and my comics separate.
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Brian Czako
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Last thing I wanted was to see Natasha and Tony playing tonsil hockey in the latest Ultimates.
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Thomas Mets
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I personally like to keep my softcore porn and my comics separate.
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While I'm not a fan of porngraph comic books/ drawings, I was unaware
that french kissing is pornographic. Do Tony & Natasha have some
really messed up power that I'm unaware of? If it's just normal
"tounge" I don't see how it's out of character for (Ultimate) Tony
& Natasha, especially as Millar's really the only guy who's written
them (aside from minor work by Bendis.) And I don't think it's
surprising to younger audiences that have seen french kissing
everywhere from the second Charlies Angels movie (I know it's a bad
movie but I recall frenching) to Saturday Night Live.
They have future plans. That's funny.
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JMS has been setting up years of Spider-Man plots beginning with his
first arc. Issue 75 of Ultimate Spider-Man provided pay-off to a plot
point set in the first issue. Comic creators working for Marvel have
some really long term plans, something creators working for DC really
can't have.
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Ken Plume
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L'l Squitch returns...
http://www.onetusk.com/images/squitch3.jpg
http://www.onetusk.com/images/squitch4.jpg
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Matt Hawes
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Steve Horton wrote:
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Yep, they showed a close up of Tony and Natasha tongue-kissing.
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