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         Steve Horton Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:21am | IP Logged | 1
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I dunno, Mike Zeck's art was nice. Certainly SECRET WARS II makes SECRET WARS look like friggin' Shakespeare by comparison.
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         Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:22am | IP Logged | 2
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But at what cost did we bring Rob Hewitt in? Rob's a great guy and all, but was he worth it?  
******* 
It could be argued that I was the beginning of the end. Or blame my grandma-she was the one who bought that for me from a flea market (except issues 2 and 3 which I never did find, and did not read for years until the trade)   
Certainly this board would have less  bulk without me and my 7,000 posts. 
(and heck I can't defend Secret Wars II! Even then I was like, what the heck???) 
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         Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:23am | IP Logged | 3
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I agree Chuck, the mutant explosion really started make things suck.
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         Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:23am | IP Logged | 4
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SHooter did try to buy Marvel a few years back, but could not in the end get the financing.
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         Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:25am | IP Logged | 5
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The New Mutants title debuted in March 1983, slightly more than a year earlier than Secret Wars (May 1984).  New Mutants spun off from the same titled graphic novel of 1982 and began a deluge of X-related titles that has never slowed, the biggest fallout from M*****'s  endless stable of X-books is the splitting up of the team across so many different comics and the introduction of dozens of lame mutant characters, some of which are held in as high a regard as the original team members or the all-new, all-different 1970's team. 
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The WOLVERINE mini came out the year before the NEW MUTANTS series and the same year as the Graphic Novel. I think we can blame it, too. 
However, in both series' defense, it was at least 5 years until a new "x" ongoing was introduced so, I don't know if they are entirely to blame. 
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         James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:26am | IP Logged | 6
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Eight thousand, counselor.  Roughly double my four.
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         Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:26am | IP Logged | 7
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The first time I had the chance to read Secret Wars I was in love with it... 
 Here in México the whole series was on sale in a biweekly schedule but in 
 1988, many years later after originally published, but with the comics 
 starvation we were suffering... anything with superheroes was digestible.
 
 Many years later I had the chance to read the tpb and that left me 
 wondering... Were's the beef? What was the point of all that?
 
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         Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:31am | IP Logged | 8
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Looks like the big Mutant Explosion happened shortly after Shooter left. Until late 1988 all you had other than UNCANNY, NEW MUTANTS, and X-FACTOR were the occasional mini-series. In the Fall of 88, you had the new EXCALIBUR  book, a new WOLVERINE ongoing and MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS which started featuring Wolverine but was after him was a showcase for other characters in the X-Universe. 
Perhaps Shooter was the one keeping all the X-books from appearing. 
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         Roger A Ott II Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:40am | IP Logged | 9
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Rob Hewitt: SECRET WARS is what brought me into the Marvel Universe as a whole. 
I used to think this very same thing myself, only a few months ago.  But, as I've been reorganizing my comic collection these past few weeks, I'm logging them into a database program and I'm noticing something about the cover dates.  At the time SECRET WARS came out, I was already reading most of the major players anyway.  I'd been reading the various Spider-Man comics for about 3 or so years, I'd been reading INCREDIBLE HULK for nearly as long, I started FANTASTIC FOUR in 1982, and AVENGERS just a few months prior to SW because of an appearance by Spider-Man. 
The only new books that SW got me to check out was UNCANNY X-MEN, IRON MAN, and CAPTAIN AMERICA, and I'm pretty sure I would have eventually gotten into them anyway at the rate I was expanding my comic reading interests at the time. 
I enjoyed the story well enough, though, so I hold no malice toward it from the standpoint of a reader.  Whatever effect its success might have had on Shooter was something I wasn't consciously privy to at the time. 
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         Ron Lake Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:46am | IP Logged | 10
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The concept of Secret Wars reminds me of the little rascals shows where they would put on a musical. 
Their premise was that they didn't have talent but they had a barn so why not put on a show. 
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         Bill Lukash Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 10:51am | IP Logged | 11
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Maybe a modern day Jim Shooter, now with the perspective of the years
gone by, would be okay.  Obviously I hope he realizes what went
wrong and why.  I don't know this to be true, tho. 
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         Joe Smith Byrne Robotics Member 
  
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           | Posted: 08 February 2006 at 11:11am | IP Logged | 12
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Mr. Ron Lake- That is the premise for all, not just comics. Very astute, young man! Love it!
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