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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | 1
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Glenn Brown wrote:
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You may disagree with my point, but Troy got it right.
Now, do you understand what I said to you?
Glenn Brown wrote:
Yes, some people can distinguish between different Asians by sight alone. |
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No. They can only guess. They can be a better guesser than others. There are characteristics which tend to show up one versus the other. But they can't know.
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Glenn Brown Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | 2
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James, this insufferable need you have to be right all of the time really gets old.
You win. Everyone who thinks differently than you is wrong and you are right.
Happy now?
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | 3
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Whenever I've been to Europe, most of the Europeans picked up that I was American before I even spoke a word. I'm trying to figure out if Asian-Americans stand differently or something.
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | 4
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Glenn Brown wrote:
James, this insufferable need you have to be right all of the time really gets old. |
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So does instant psychoanalysis of my motivation for doing things.
If I tire you, put me on your ignore list; then you'll never hear from me again.
(Of course, if you already have, then you won't have read this. Hmm.)
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4274
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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 7:00pm | IP Logged | 5
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QUOTE:
Whenever I've been to Europe, most of the Europeans picked up that I was American before I even spoke a word. I'm trying to figure out if Asian-Americans stand differently or something. |
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Maybe, Though my wife was once mistaken for Irish by some Irish women viisiting her workplace. Had a friend of Korean and Japanese decent who was addressed in Japanese by a couple of tourists at Disneyland. She had no clue what they were saying though.
Edited by Mike Norris on 03 March 2006 at 7:01pm
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Chris Durnell Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1234
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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | 6
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I have some friends who can tell the difference between different Asian nationalities. Not perfectly, but within 80-90%. A white guy is best at it, but the others are Asian. When I lived briefly in Europe, I noticed it was lot easier to tell the Nordics, Latins, and Slavics from each other than I could in Chicago.
Anyway, back to the issue of anti-mutant hysteria - I remember a scene from Gruenwald/Dwyer's run where the new Captain America and Battlestar hunted down a porcupine power guy because of the Mutant Registration Act. He claimed he got the powers in an accident. I'm sure they might be other instances of the same.
I personally don't find anti-mutant hysteria to be weird. It's one thing that random accidents give people super-powers. It's another thing to be told by another group: we are replacing you. Random super power guys will remain random and keep to a low population. A new breed of humanity however may someday outnumber you, or at minimum become a large enough minority that their super powers allow them to rule over non-powered humans, or "cheat" the system. The Hellfire Club certainly did - using their various mutant powers to gain economic and political powers. How many business rivals did Emma Frost destroy simply because she could read their minds?
No one wants to be reglected to an inferior status, and that is the fear humanity has. One does not need to be a bigot to have that fear. Fear, not hate, is what motivated the hysteria for most.
Something rarely mentioned in these discussions is that mutants are not just a metaphor of oppressed minorities. They are also metaphors of danger. They were the "Children of the Atom," remember? What else do we associate with the Atom, especially in the 1960's - 1980's? Mutants are also a metaphor for the possible extinction of humanity. And Magneto and the Brotherhood, of course, are metaphors of bigotry and racial supremacy themselves, not of oppressed minorities.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | 7
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Human mutation, as played in the Marvel Universe, is exactly the kind of thing that would set off all kinds of prejudices. This is something Chris and I addressed in "Days of Future Past", twenty five years ago. Recall, Senator Kelly's campaign slogan for the year in which he ran for president was "It's 1984 -- Do You Know WHAT Your Children Are?" When I coined that phrase, I thought it summed up the whole thing perfectly.See, if two White racists have a child together, it is highly unlikely (tho not impossible, especially in America) that child will turn out to be Black. But mutation can happen to anybody. And, double-edged sword that it is, two mutants are not absolutely guaranteed to produce a mutant, either. Likely, but not certain. Mutation is insidious. A "normal" couple can have a child, raise it to its teen years and suddenly -- wham! It grows wings, or starts firing eye beams, or turns to living metal. This is, in fact, one of the most insightful parts of the whole mythos, the notion that the mutation kicks in at puberty. To repeat the similie, it is unlikely (tho not impossible) that your kid can grow up White and, when the hormones kick in, suddenly turn out to be Black. (There was an episode of LAW&ORDER which addressed the latter scenario, but not as something common!) Mutants are a variant on cuckoos. The difference is, the "cuckoo's eggs" come from birds that are not cuckoos.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 8:39pm | IP Logged | 8
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And Magneto and the Brotherhood, of course, are metaphors of bigotry and racial supremacy themselves, not of oppressed minorities.**** Exactly. No accident that Stan and Jack had Magneto and his cronies use Nazi trappings in an early issue. The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants was not meant to be seen as "freedom fighters". That was the X-Men. The Brotherhood saw themselves as "evil", and had no problem with that characterization.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | 9
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But how do the people in the Marvel Universe know which superheroes are mutants? Unless they segregate themselves, of course.
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Ray Brady Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 03 March 2006 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | 10
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The mutants tend to have X's on their belt buckles.
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Emery Calame Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 04 March 2006 at 12:12am | IP Logged | 11
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Well mutants have apparently been found to have a common gene that shows up and sometimes "activates". I think it has been dubbed the x-factor.
In the Marvel universe you might have been born a human with an "advanced" mutation trait that gives you super powers like "super reflexes" and the ability to see into the infa-red band but you'd still not be a mutant because you don't match up with one of the High Evolutionary's definitions. Or maybe they'd call you pseudo mutant or a "type two" mutant.
On the other hand you could be born a mutant with two too many teeth in your lower ja, lumps on the back of your head, and the power to turn four square inches of your left butt cheek "sort of blue" and the sentinals STILL want to shoot restraining goop on you and haul you off to some secret mutant prison because you have the x-factor.
Edited by Emery Calame on 04 March 2006 at 12:13am
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 04 March 2006 at 8:36pm | IP Logged | 12
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I actually have an extra vertebra in my spine. I trust you guys to keep it secret from the Mutant hunting Sentinals.
Mike (aka Taller-than-he-would-be Man)
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