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Zaki Hasan
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| Posted: 29 April 2006 at 11:11pm | IP Logged | 1
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I have never like Quesada as the Editor in Chief of Marvel. And if he goes a head with Peter Marriage to MJ ends.
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Read the interview. He says repeatedly that ending the marriage is NOT AN OPTION.
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Chris Hutton
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| Posted: 29 April 2006 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | 2
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I know I'm WAY late to this party, but Matt brought up the issue of the Simpsons. Long before them, during the 2+ year korean War, M*A*S*H celebrated MANY a Christmas, and other holidays. As well as cold winter & hot summer episodes.
JB is SO right! Comicbook time means PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE. End of story.
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Robert Last
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 2:38am | IP Logged | 3
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I've been reading Spider-Man for about 35 years (oh my God.. I feel so old now) and to be honest I have no problem with a total re-boot of the character. The only things that are important to me are:
Both Peter Parker and Spider-Man should retain their classic look (although I don't mind temporary costume changes at all)
Spider-Man should be quipping and thwipping villians into submission
He should generally have a hard time, with triumphs here and there.
He should have a good sized supporting cast.
The spider-mobile must always be in continuity... ok, maybe not that one.
Most of the other changes people seem to get so worked up about are so obviously temporary (iron spidey, avengers membership) they don't bother me. I've always thought the biggest problem isn't even that Peter is married (I can kinda cope with that, although he's probably better off having not gotten married) it's that he's married to a super-model. Most every reader, whenever they see Peter or Spider-Man complaining about this or that is naturally gonna think "yeah, but dude.. you go home to a lady who's great to you and is a SUPERMODEL!"
Bit hard to take any of his woes seriously at that point, especially if you are a teen going through all the usual teen things, I would think.
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Robert White
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 2:53am | IP Logged | 4
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They should just re-boot the whole thing and restart with an exact duplicate series of "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends."
Ms. Lion's adorableness has been out of the public eye for far too long now.
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Jeff Gillmer
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 3:38am | IP Logged | 5
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Solution to the "Marriage Problem"...
Build up over 6 or so months of MJ feeling more and more depressed and left out because Peter is not only out doing his thing as Spider-Man, but also pulling duty with The Avengers. This is leaving very little time for her. Have her get out more and actually get a long term stage part or a TV show that takes even more time out for a relationship.
Then, she and Peter receive a letter from a private detective. It turns out that the official that married them was not qualified legally to perform the service, or the paperwork was messed up or anything along those lines. The marriage never legally happened. They sit down and have a good old fashioned heart-to-heart and realize that they have been growing apart and decide to go their seperate ways for a while and try to decide if they really want to be married with everything else going on in their lives. Eventually they decide no, but stay friends..
I welcome all royalty checks.
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Pedro Cruz
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 3:47am | IP Logged | 6
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It isn't just Spider-Man, at this point Marvel is so FUBAR, they should blow it all up and do a reset.
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Jonathan Graver
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 4:23am | IP Logged | 7
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One of the things that pushed me away from following Spider-Man's
exploits was the marriage. It made the character less relevant to
me (a teenager in the 1980s). Spider-Man's relevance to the
reader was inherent in his day-to-day struggles (getting enough sleep
between crimefighting and chemistry class, haggling with JJJ over pay
for his photos, making the rent, etc.), and I could identify with
that. I haven't gone near any Spider-Man titles since the Clone
Saga, with the exception of the Ultimate version, because I no longer
recognized the character. While I expect a major character to
stray from the status quo for the sake of a an important storyline, I
feel that this one moved beyond its readership's comfort zone and
stayed there. If JMS reverts Spidey back to the hard-luck hero he
once was, I might consider reading the titles again.
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Victor Rodgers
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 6:17am | IP Logged | 8
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They just need to end the marriage whether it be divorce, death, annulment or Superboy punching a wall. The first few months will be rough, but as time goes on you can get Spider-Man back to a status quo that is better than the current one.
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Francesco Vanagolli
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 6:21am | IP Logged | 9
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In this moment Spider-Man
- Is a New Avenger
- Doesn't need to hide his secret identity to aunt May anymore
- Hasn't financial problems anymore
- Lives at the Avengers Tower
- Has "totemic powers"
- Has died and reborn
- Has organical webs and stings.
Now, I'm appreciating the current storylines more than that stuff I have read for at least 3 years, but I admit that all these elements together make current Spider-Man more distant from the original concept than the marriage! Do you agree with me?
Edited by Francesco Vanagolli on 30 April 2006 at 6:23am
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Eelco Veldhuizen
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Just pretend they were never married and start with new stories.
Not that difficult, readers will catch up soon enough after the initial confusion. Of course there will be readers who complain about continuity, but that will change with time....
Eelco
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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 6:42am | IP Logged | 11
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But we were talking specifically about the Ultimate line, and the purpose of that line isn't to create new characters, it's to present a modern, continuity-lite version of the Marvel universe.
Shouldn't the "real" titles do this?
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Matt Linton
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| Posted: 30 April 2006 at 7:18am | IP Logged | 12
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Should they? Yes. But whether it's Marvel or DC they don't. And a sizable and vocal segment of the readership, including most of us, has been trained to think in terms of a shared universe with years of backstory. Look at DC right now. Their big event is spun off of a twenty year old event that originally reset their continuity. The rift between the big three spun out of Identity Crisis, which also was based on an even older story. And when I say modern, I should clarify that it's modern versions of the sort of iconic versions of their characters. So you have Spider-Man as a teenager, X-Men as teens, etc. You can argue that the regular Marvel Universe should be doing that, but the fact is it isn't, and can't without a major reboot of continuity which could possibly alienate most of their current readership. Look at the number of people who complain about Ultimate Spider-Man because it isn't "their" Spider-Man, despite it being far closer to that than the version in the regular Marvel books.
So, in answer to your question:
Yes, they should. But I can understand why they don't.
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