Well say what you might, I cannot stand an overpowered Superman. I guess thats why Man of Steel was so ground-breaking for me, it made Superman more interesting. When a guy can single-handedly push a moon around or palm a black hole (not sure what was even meant by that) it just makes it uninteresting. I always thought it was the combination of all his powers that made Superman as tough as he was, not just one aspect such as strength. So, despite all the evidence to the contrary that is how I will always see him.

And, I also think that the reason Doc Samson wouldn't have a hope in hell of knocking him out with the same kind of sucker punch is also due to the above. Superman moves a lot faster than the Hulk, plus the same ruse would not work on him as he is also much smarter.

As far as the references of Marvel feats of strength that I pointed out earlier being from a long time ago, are not the examples of Superman juggling planets also a little dated? I don't recall him doing anything like that recently; however as I don't collect any of his titles I don't know for sure. Also, there is no way that he should be able to resist everything that Hal Jordan can put out with ease. Thats just sloppy writing in my opinion.

> this one Frank?

Never saw that one.  I recall Surfer mentioning Gladiator's weakness, though -- but I could be incorrectly remembering this.  I know for certain that Hulk exploited this weakness.

Thanks for the scan.  Cool power on Storm's part -- she ever do that again, or was it a one-off thing?

_FR

> Right, Frank... but even allowing for a bit of hyperbole, I think a strong-willed ring wielder should give Superman some trouble in a tussle.

> Unfortunately, as you've pointed out, that's just not the case.

It's been the case on two occasions that I know of: One, wherein John Stewart took out Superman in a single shot to Superman's eyes.  Two, wherein Tom Kalmaku incapcitated Superman by bringing Superman's greatest fears to life inside Superman's head.  This was with a ring powerful enough to freeze time and strip Parallax of his power, of course. But still.

_FR

> As far as the references of Marvel feats of strength that I pointed out earlier being from a long time ago, are not the examples of Superman juggling planets also a little dated?

I didn't mention any pre-Crisis feats.  They were all feats from the last 8 years or so.  Superman destroyed Earth Two by punching, and getting punched by, the Earth Two Superman during Infinite Crisis (their fight was also tearing apart space and time, if I remember correctly).  He also waxed a planet while fighting Zod during For Tomorrow (Zod and he tore it apart -- every hit on Zod's and Superman's bodies was, to some extent, transfered directly to the planet or somesuch).  The black hole event comes from JLA about 3 years back.  Holding up the Moon comes from a JLA special from the late 1990s.  He also split a "small Saturnian moon" in the Luthor 2000 special and was ten or so minutes from knocking the Moon from orbit simply by pounding on it -- according to Martian Manhunter -- while under the influence of kryptonite (he was sick, coughing and weezing).  This occured around that time, as well.

Etc.

_FR

Armageddon 2001 future stories were all canonical, because each glimpse of possible future timelines allowed Superman to avert stuff that was going to happen in his own life.  The possible future timelines all included situations that were well within the DCU's physics and capabilities.

That said, Kyle Rayner did wield the most powerful weapon in the universe and it is not just a tagline.  The fact is that it is the most powerful weapon in the universe.... and Kyle Rayner is not the most effective wielder of it.

> If one is really an effective wielder of a Green Lantern power ring, they replace the oxygen inside Superman's lungs with green Kryptonite dust.

The last time someone tried to do that, it didn't end well for the dude.  Cosmic King attempted to turn Superman's blood to Kryptonite in Superman/Batman.  Superman resisted it long enough to beat King off of him and then recovered instantly.

Superman has an amazing record against transmutation -- Disciple (worked the first time, but not the second -- and that was after a pump up), Skyhook, Sodom and Gamora, Gaea, the Scary Monsters demons, Viroxx's henchmen, the elder god from Seven Caskets, Midas, Cythonna, etc. -- he's resisted them all, with varying degrees of effort.

In fact, aside from the first Disciple attack, I can't think of a time that transmutation has ever worked on Superman.  He always resists it, from what I recall, by whatever means.  So I don't think that a GL turning his blood to Kryptonite is a sure thing at all.

_FR

Cool power on Storm's part -- she ever do that again, or was it a one-off thing?

I'd suggest seeking out FANTASTIC FOUR #250.

Cool, I'll try to hunt it down.  Until then, do you have a descript or a scan?

Thanks.

_FR