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Peter Svensson
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Bodhi said: "Besides, since when can the power rings do stuff like that? I was always under the impression that they could emit massive amounts of energy and force, as well as create constructs using that same thing, not actually transmute matter."
Though most writers ignore it, a Green Lantern's ring can do anything the wearer has the imagination to concieve of and the willpower to make it so. Anything. They've walked through walls, transmuted people, erased memories, gone through time, those little rings are pretty much limited by the power of plot.
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Brett Payne
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Some of the more powerful Hulk moments:
Gladiator destroyed
Holding up a few rocks:
Cracking Onlaughts armor, something nobody else in the fight could do:
Hulk is way over Class 100 strength level when angry, with no as yet determined limit on his strength.
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Frank Lauro
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I just noticed something about the fabled Doc Samson knockout punch. Physiologically speaking, it's not the most effective punch that Samson could have thrown. He swings with his right hand, but his left leg is in the forward position, while his right leg is "back".
If you're going to throw a haymaker, you want to put your entire body into it, and ensure that you're going to get the most power possible out of your swing. If you cock your right arm all the way back to New England, you're going to want to put your right leg forward, so that you get as much extension as possible -- so you can lean into the punch, as it were. With the other leg out front, your punch would be limited in power, and you might even hurt yourself! (If you think I'm kidding, step away from the keyboard and run a slow-motion simulation for yourself -- swinging with the right arm while the left leg is out front will give you a hell of a muscle pull, and will certainly limit the power and extension of your punch.)
For story purposes, it worked, and I have no problem with that, since it was an excellent story. I'm just talking physics and anatomy for a minute.
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Brian Floyd
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Hulk is way over Class 100 strength level when angry, with no as yet determined limit on his strength.
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Yep. Abomination has Class 100 strength and is stronger than a somewhat normal Hulk, but when the Hulk gets angry, he outclasses Abomination. It would probably take someone with cosmic-scale powers (and by cosmic scale, I'm talking close to Celestial levels) to beat the Hulk on sheer strength when he gets mad enough.
I never could take that issue of Secret Wars seriously. Not only because its outrageous that the Hulk would ever be able to lift 150 billion tons, or even just support it on his back, no matter how mad he got, but also because, if I remember correctly, its the Bruce Banner mind Hulk, and he didn't have the `madder he gets the stronger he gets' advantage. (I believe he got beaten up bad by the Abomination once because of that)
Edited by Brian Floyd on 24 September 2006 at 5:02am
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John Byrne
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Though most writers ignore it, a Green Lantern's ring can do anything the wearer has the imagination to concieve of and the willpower to make it so. Anything. They've walked through walls, transmuted people, erased memories, gone through time, those little rings are pretty much limited by the power of plot. *** That's it in a nutshell, really. And it sums up why the last 20 years or so -- the age of the superstar writers and artists -- have put an end to any meaningful discussions of the comparative power levels of various characters. How tough is Captain Fonebone? As tough (or as weak) as the writer wants him to be, with no editor with sufficient stones to say "You can't do that." Consider, that "hundred billion tons" SECRET WARS cover was given to us by the same guy who insisted that everybody be precisely quantified in TOHOTMU. The same guy who once stomped out of a dinner meeting in a huff when some of us suggested "the madder he gets the stronger he gets" is probably limitless, because he said that was ridiculous. That made the Hulk "too powerful". Until he wanted him that powerful, that is. How much fun can we suck out of comics, before there's none left?
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John Byrne
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He could have made a machine to pick it up. Thats what Dr.Doom did in an issue of Thor. *** There are two separate enchantments at work on Thor's hammer, a point that seems to have been largely forgotten. "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor(r)" is one, but it's supposed to be a whole 'nother thing that prevents anyone but Thor from picking up the hammer.
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Wallace Sellars
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I was always under the impression
that they could emit massive amounts of energy and force, as well as
create constructs using that same thing, not actually transmute matter.
In addition to projecting beams of force and creating constructs, Green
Lantern's power ring has been used to phase a person through walls,
shoot anti-matter energy, probe memories, generate liquid oxygen,
devolve a human being into a monkey-like creature, create exact
duplicates of people and things (like power rings), turn a person into
a bird, shrink and enlarge the wielder and others (wholly or in part),
hypnotize someone, and more.
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John Byrne
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There's a post-Adams backup in FLASH in which GL uses his ring to create a permanent memorial to a fallen alien -- a statue of the guy in multiple colors!
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Simon Matthew Park
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JB - Does this mean I was right the first time (Although I had forgotten that there were two seperate enchantments on Mjolnir), that how Thor's hammer was transported is still a mystery? I'm sure any explanation would be worthy of a No-Prize!
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Charles Underhill
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Other things to remeber about that Hulk-
Hulk was pretty mindless at the time with the 'attention span of a gnat' (or an american under age 25, ha ha) not to mention the fact the human body is built with a nerve "button" behind the jaw and when the jawbone is pushed into the nerve- you get knocked out. So it may not have been only Samson's strength, but also his aim as well, or dumb luck.
A side note about Gladiator- someone asked if he had his own "kyrptonite", well since he was Shi'ar and their homeworld was'nt dying of radiation as was Krypton, I would say Gladiator had no such weakness (or any other Shi'ar for that matter).
I loved this topic about Hulk, great ideas from everyone and food for thought!!!!
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Brett Payne
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As JB is one of the best creative talents ever to be on the Hulk book at Marvel, I bow to his creative thinking about Doc Samson KO"ing the Hulk. I believe that Doc Samson could break his hand, throwing the haymaker of his life knocking out the Hulk by surprise. I like my Hulk indestructible, with unlimited strength, durability and smashing everything in site. But he sometimes has to go down to make the story more interesting. As long as he gets back up and lays a whooping down I am happy. When JB did HUlk 316, one of the very finest Hulk issues in history, I saw the power that the Hulk posses as he flung around the best the Avengers had. As he should when angry. Hercules, Iron Man, Namor and Wonder Man are all powerhouses in their own right. But when enraged, as the Hulk was in that issue, they do not posses Mjolnir, or the Power Cosmic, or the sheer muscle and invulnerability that the angry Hulk can bring to the fight. The Hulk should beat these guys, and most of the Marvel Universe for that matter if he can get angry enough.
Now speaking of the Hulk's invulnerability, I know I mentioned this earlier but I would like to get JB's take on the Wolverine inspired healing factor that the Hulk is now running around with. Obviously he did not posses this in your landmark run, as Peter David introduced it to us in issue 337 when the Hulk fought Wolverine. Who gutted him like a pig......and then proclaimed the the Hulk has a form of Gamma Cancer and a healing factor faster than his own. Wolverine should be toast in a few seconds fighting the Hulk. Actually this picture is what I always thought would happen to Wolverine once the Hulk got his mits on him:
Yes Wolverine could scratch the Hulk a little bit, but nothing more. I hope we get to see some definitive Marvel Hulk stories with the new World War Hulk series next year. If we don't then JB is getting more Hulk commissions from me in 2007.....
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John Mietus
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Roger Jackson wrote:
That's you? That's pretty cool, you have a TV show? I
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Interesting that you post this now when a few days ago Matt posted an
entire thread -- with your name in the title -- asking you about this very
thing.
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