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Ian M. Palmer
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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 1  

I like that line, though:

-Have I forgotten anyone?

-Just... Hulk.

IMP.

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Chad Carter
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If you're going to throw a haymaker, you want to put your entire body into it, and ensure that you're going to get the most power possible out of your swing.  If you cock your right arm all the way back to New England, you're going to want to put your right leg forward, so that you get as much extension as possible -- so you can lean into the punch, as it were.  With the other leg out front, your punch would be limited in power, and you might even hurt yourself!  (If you think I'm kidding, step away from the keyboard and run a slow-motion simulation for yourself -- swinging with the right arm while the left leg is out front will give you a hell of a muscle pull, and will certainly limit the power and extension of your punch.)

As with another cat, I have to call this, Frank. What you'd be describing is an arm punch only, more like an exaggerated jab. Proper boxing/martial form dictates OPPOSING force. As in, throwing a forward right, especially a hook, you are simultaneously pulling back the left arm and twisting the body to exert a snap. You can't do that on one foot, which is more or less what will happen if you're striking from a right leg forward position. Weight is transferred from one foot to the other in the course of the blow Samson throws, creating proper balance. Try actually striking something, as Samson does, with right leg forward and then left leg forward, and on IMPACT is where the difference between the two lies.

Also, keep in mind if you miss with that right arm lunge, you are off-balance with the entire right side of your body exposed. Really, really bad news against the Hulk, I'd think.

Anyway, I used to box southpaw even though I was right-handed (just in practice, mind, as a teen) and I learned the hard way that protecting yourself starts with how much balance you can maintain in fisticuffs.

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Jeff Lommel
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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 6:55pm | IP Logged | 3  

 John Mietus wrote:
  The point I was making, Jeff, is that there was a whole thread dedicated to the topic of Roger using that video of Matt


I understood your point.  I was simply mistaken, it's all good, right? 

How about that punch, anyway?


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John Mietus
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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 7:38pm | IP Logged | 4  

Between you and me? All good.

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Frank Lauro
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Bodhi and Chad, well said.  The idea of balance to which you refer makes perfect sense...and I have had a lesson or two in my day, so I recognize what you're talking about.

I guess I was thinking of the punch specifically as a haymaker -- the kind of punch that only gets thrown when a fighter knows that it's all or nothing, and that maximum power needs to be channelled into a single swing.  In that instance, a boxer (to use a specific example) knowingly sacrifices balance for power and extension, since the hope is that one's opponent is about to go down.  It seemed to me as though that was what Samson was going for in that moment, which is why I found the footwork odd.

Still, if Samson wasn't 100% sure that he was about to render the Hulk unconscious -- something that he'd never done before, right? -- then he would have been wise to stand exactly as he did, as Chad points out.

Point withdrawn.

 

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Simon Matthew Park
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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | 6  

Interesting points being made. That punch looks fucking cool, though!

As to Wolverine's bones - Whether they're laced with adamantium or encased in it, surely if The Hulk could exert enough force to dent Ultron, then Wolverine's bones could still be shattered regardless. Thye'd either be smashed inside their casing of adamantium, or be broken around the adamantium with which they've been laced. The adamantium itself might not be badly damaged, but the biological component of his skeleton could still be cracked or broken.

If I'm on the wrong track here, I'm sure someone will set me straight : )

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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 9:15pm | IP Logged | 7  

...if The Hulk could exert enough force to dent
Ultron....

***

That's the problem right there, isn't it? Adamantium
was created -- as a literary device -- to be the one
thing on Earth that could hold the Hulk. If we start
presenting instances -- even "extreme" cases --
where adamantium doesn't stand up to the
Hulk, then the whole point of having the stuff exist at
all is lost. Kryptonite "works" because it can kill
Superman, not because it can kill Superman
provided he hasn't had too much caffeine that day.
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Steve Horton
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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 9:19pm | IP Logged | 8  

That was later retconned into being a weaker "secondary Adamantium" - a clumsy revision, but there you go. The true stuff still can't be dented.
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Frank Robert
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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 9:25pm | IP Logged | 9  

Was this actually retconned in a book, or is it just something Marvel editorial may have told its writers at one time?  Or is it merely a fan myth?

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Robert White
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Posted: 24 September 2006 at 10:12pm | IP Logged | 10  

I know the OHOTMU write up for Adamantium states that what the Hulk dented was secondary adamantium. This leads me to believe that it was an editorial decision.
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Christopher Arndt
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Ohotmu (pronounce that word!) is an editorial creation.

But as Dave Campbell knows it is the funnest ever!

I like to think that some Ultrons have thinner skins than others...

or that one attack by Hulk was the one time he was able to do it....

but I like Secret Wars so I make exceptions for that story.

What I want to see (and don't mention that issue of Quasar) is Absorbing Man fight Wolverine, become Adamantium Man, and use his absolute invulernability to absolutely kick the X-Men's arses!  All of them!

Except Professor X's, I guess.

CJA
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Brett Payne
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Posted: 25 September 2006 at 12:24am | IP Logged | 12  

On 3 separate occasions the Hulk has dented Adamantium. I guess they were all "second class stuff". Hard to find that "good" Adamantium it seems.... 
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