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Pete Carrubba
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| Posted: 25 September 2006 at 1:27am | IP Logged | 1
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| It's Ultimate Hulk ripping Ultimate Wolverine in half and apparently Ultimate Adamantium isn't that tough |
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JB and most of us don't live in the Ultimate Universe.  Yech!
JB wrote:
| Kryptonite "works" because it can kill Superman, not because it can kill Superman provided he hasn't had too much caffeine that day. |
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So what happens if Superman does have too much caffeine? 
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Christopher Arndt
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I live in the Ultimate Universe.
George Bush is a liberal, has only one kid, and allowed sentinesl to go stomping through my neighborhood and step on kids and incinerate homeless folk.
However, on Earth-Prime Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick organized a program where the homeless folk would be hidden from the public when the last Super Bowl was held at our pro football standium down near Detroit.
Which is worse? Obviously Ultimate GWB. Which is more sickening to think about? That there was officially a city-funded program to hide the needy simply to make Detroit not look like a scumplace.
Oddly enough I went to the Ultimate Universe to escape the OMACs. Ooops.
CJA
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 25 September 2006 at 5:05am | IP Logged | 3
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Ohotmu (pronounce that word!)...
*****
Oh-hot-moo.
What do I win?
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Greg Kirkpatrick
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| Posted: 25 September 2006 at 5:22am | IP Logged | 4
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Then Magneto could pull it out of Wolverine's body
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What is funny about that is, if I remember correctly, many years ago Marvel put out a No-Prize one-shot which had a bunch of Marvel goofs in it and one that was mentioned was in Uncanny X-Men 112, when Magneto had Wolverine's claws pop out and was forcing Wolverine's claws towards his face. It was mentioned that this was a mistake because Adamantium was not magnetic...
Either I remember way wrong, or things changed...
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Wallace Sellars
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Ohotmu
He's one of Fin Fang Foom's buddies, right?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 25 September 2006 at 8:06am | IP Logged | 6
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What is funny about that is, if I remember correctly, many years ago Marvel put out a No-Prize one-shot which had a bunch of Marvel goofs in it and one that was mentioned was in Uncanny X-Men 112, when Magneto had Wolverine's claws pop out and was forcing Wolverine's claws towards his face. It was mentioned that this was a mistake because Adamantium was not magnetic...Either I remember way wrong, or things changed...**** That "No-Prize" book was really just an excuse for Shooter to publish a list of all the things he personally didn't like. (One of the "goofs" listed was Captain America wearing his shield under his shirt. Oh, that silly Simon and Kirby! If only Shooter had been there to show them how to do it right!) Anyway -- the bit with Wolverine's claws is not the "goof" some think. Magneto had already been established as being able to manipulate the trace elements in people's bodies (a bit of a stretch, yes, but canon), and that's what he's really doing in that scene. He's grabbed Wolverine's whole arm, and where the arm goes, the claws go. No, really!
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Greg Kirkpatrick
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| Posted: 25 September 2006 at 8:13am | IP Logged | 7
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Yeah, I accept that explanation, JB. Are we allowed to attribute Magneto pulling the adamantium out of Wolverine to that as well? I always hated that story and the fact Wolverine had bone claws all along really got my goat.
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Frank Robert
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> I know the OHOTMU write up for Adamantium states that what the Hulk dented was secondary adamantium. This leads me to believe that it was an editorial decision.
As I recall, the Handbook also states that (not verbatim here), "A significant mass of adamantium MIGHT be able to withstand a direct hit from a nuclear warnead."
So even there, it is not said to be completely invulnerable. It also mentions that Captain America's shield is more durable, which supports the idea that adamantium has its limits. And even Captain America's shield has been damaged -- from a blast of power by the Beyonder (in the same story that Hulk damaged Ultron), and from an uber punch by King Thor. No "molecular rearranger" was used in either of those attacks -- just extreme force.
The note that "once set, no conventional force can effect adamantium, and only a molecular arranger can change it" seems to contradict those statements, though -- unless you consider strength such as that of the Hulk and the power of atomic weaponry to be "unconventional," of course, and dismiss the "only" comment as a gaff.
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Edited by Frank Robert on 25 September 2006 at 8:36am
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Jeff Lommel
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If one wants to buy into the Hulk being able to dent Adamantium, while still having it established as the one thing he couldn't break, it's not hard. I can dent metal, either hitting it with a hammer hard enough or if it's thinner, I can kick/hit it. I can't (typically) break that same metal. Push that to the extreme end of strength the Hulk has, and apply it to adamantium. Still unbreakable.
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stuart knight
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| Posted: 25 September 2006 at 8:42am | IP Logged | 10
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Adamantium
was created -- as a literary device -- to be the one
thing on Earth that could hold the Hulk.
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There is nothing that cannot be broken with the correct application of force but this is the comic world, sometimes you have to suspend reality and go with it. Ultimately it is all a fantasy and beyond the realms of our possibilty, if you concentate too much on that you lose sight of what is happening.
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David Perrin
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I seem to recall SHEILD had some weapon that once destroyed
an island's protective dome made of Adamantium. I was
bummed to see that.
A question about character versus character to anyone who
can answer.
If Kitty Pryde is in her phase state (or canceling the valances
between atoms as I recall it once described) can she reach into
the Hulk's body or better yet phase her entire body inside the
Hulk, become soilid while inside him and kill him? Seems like
as long as she uses her power she can't be hit by him. One
reach inside to destroy his heart and....its bye bye Hulk right?
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stuart knight
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And professor Xavier could shut down his mind (basic as it is) and Jean Grey could give him an embolism, all true but no one is saying he is unbeatable, I do not think any character, even Galactus is. Can you image a new comic character, impervious to everything real or imagined, past present or future, and with abilities beyond count to squash any and all opponents, that would get boring really quickly. They need setback and defeats, how else can they overcome their limitations.
Edited by stuart knight on 25 September 2006 at 8:57am
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