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Victor Rodgers
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I'm not sure the Juggernaut is all that unstoppable. Spider-Man didn't use telepathy, only concrete, and that seemed to do the job.
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He slowed Juggernaut down a great deal doing that. But he was not stopped. He climbed out of the cement eventually and kept doing his thing. Its not in Juggernaut's own words that he is unstoppable. Its said by the god who granted Juggernaut his powers. You could throw him into space or the deepest part of the ocean and he would not be stopped only slowed down.
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Robert White
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"Robert, I belive in the Master Edition of the OHOTMU, Class 100 strength was indicated as being able to lift between 90-100 tons. Anything above 100 tons was considered "Incalculable"."
Perhaps the one way that edition was better than the Deluxe edition. I was, of course, going by the method used in the Deluxe edition. Unfortunately Thor, for some reason, was now only able to lift 100 tons, and not over it. Same for the Hulk. It was an odd, error laden, collection of giant cards. I remember on Ghost Rider’s sheet it listed the X-Men as his contacts…
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Michael Penn
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But if they can lift 15 tons, and they work up a lather and lift more...
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A very large African elephant can grow to 15,000 lbs. So holding up the weight of two at once would be 15 tons. Hardly unimpressive!
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Simon Matthew Park
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Victor - If the Juggernaut was in space, though...how would he obtain the momentum to move (forward or otherwise)?
Robert - I don't know if this is 'canonical', but in the Hulk story Future Imperfect, The Hulk is shown to be unable to survive a ground-zero nuclear (or rather, gamma) blast, but is described as being able to 'absorb' the background radiation which results from one without ill-effect - in fact, it makes him stronger. In the same story, it's shown that Thor (no mention of Hercules or Starfox) had been killed (though whether it was by a nuke, or by The Maestro remains unclear, though I read it as Thor dying at ground zero of a nuclear blast).
I don't know that there's a straight answer - the stronger the writer wants him to be, the tougher and stronger Hulk is, I suppose.
Edited by Simon Matthew Park on 23 September 2006 at 9:40am
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Victor Rodgers
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He would float along. But thats not being stopped.
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Simon Matthew Park
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Aha! Nice one! : )
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stuart knight
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Back to an earlier point, can anyone answer, what happens when the unstoppable (Juggernaut) meets the Immovable (Blob). Both can't be right or are we hanging on to these tantalising soundbites too much? The strongest one there is etc?
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John Byrne
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As Isaac Asimov pointed out in a short essay many years ago, immovable object and unstoppable force are mutually exclusive concepts. In a universe in which one exists, the other, by definition, cannot. Thus, if the Blob is truly "immovable" (and when did that happen?)*, Juggernaut is not truly "unstoppable", and vice versa.
* Note, too, that the Blob is "immovable" only in a very narrow, resticted sense, relative to the surface of the Earth. When he plants himself upon a particular spot, the Earth continues to mark outs its loops around the Sun, thru the Galaxy, and across the Universe. The Blob, by any larger definition, is not truly "immovable".
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Michael Penn
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the Blob is truly "immovable"
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Didn't Cyclops topple him in their very first encounter by blasting out the ground beneath him?
(Remember when Cyclops was the most powerful of the X-Men?!)
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John Byrne
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Exactly the shot I was thinking of, Michael!
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John Mietus
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Let's ask the question this way: Hey, JB -- what happens in a fight between
Juggernaut and the Blob?
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stuart knight
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I don't think that The Blob is all that strong (Not by Juggernaut, Hulk Thor standards) but he is resistant to most forms of harm but ultimately Juggernaut would win (comprehensively).
Edited by stuart knight on 23 September 2006 at 12:00pm
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