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Al Cook
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Ryan Maxwell, in another thread:
"No, AF ended with issue 28. They are still alive and waiting to take on the
Hulk."
And that's where I'd set my re-set button. Everything else back to what was
going on that month as well...
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Brad Hague
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Marvel - 1983
We still had everything right with the FF with Byrne and the X-Men were not yet royally screwed up. Peter Parker and Matt Murdock were still manageable and Alpha Flight was glorious.
I hate to mention this, but that terrible Character, the Beyonder, could fix this. He could come back and realize that everything that has happened since the Secret Wars is horrible, and he could restore everything to that moment in time and erase everything that happened as a result of his coming into contact with the universe.
DC - 1976
Everything was recognizable and all the characters were as they should have been. (Except Wonder Woman, I guess. Make that 1980.) Do it ex nilihio like DC just does.
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John Byrne
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A lot of you seem to be drifting away from my point, focusing on WHO was working on the various titles. Since most, if not all, of the talent of the time would be unavailable, it's the status quo I'm interested in. Note that in my original post I said "Peter Parker a grad student" and not "back when Roger Stern was writing Spider-Man". . .
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Michael Penn
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If Marvel really did rewind back to a year, would all characters introduced afterwards be forbidden from the new continuity?
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Al Cook
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"A lot of you seem to be drifting away from my point, focusing on WHO was
working on the various titles"
In my case, I'd be perfectly willing to let a new creative team take over AF
with issue #29, so long as they didn't royally f**k up the characters like what
was done by Mantlo in this reality...
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John Byrne
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f Marvel really did rewind back to a year, would all characters introduced
afterwards be forbidden from the new continuity?
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Nothing would be "forbidden". We would only hope everything would be
properly considered.
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Chris Rayman
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Marvel - 1980? (just before Carol announced her pregnacy over in Avengers)
DC - 1990 (I actually liked the streamlined universe; just not the mess that followed. This would be another chance to not make the same mistakes.)
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Patrick Clarke
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Now on to Marvel...
I don't know if it was the first time it happened, and as a kid I loved it, but Secret Wars seems like the first "GREAT BIG CROSSOVER EVENT OF THE CENTURY!".
So, let's rewind Marvel before Secret Wars and make sure these things NEVER happen. God, I hate them. Civil War caused me to not read Marvel for an entire year.
It's funny, I was re-reading Iron Man vol. 2 1-15 and it was a great run, except where marred by some SUPER CROSSOVER. In retrospect, I don't even remember the Crossover, and it hurt the re-read of the series.
SUPER EVENT CROSSOVERS OF THE MINUTE should die! ;) Thanks Marvel...
- pjc
Edited by Patrick Clarke on 27 December 2007 at 7:27pm
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Martin Redmond
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- Marvel rewind pre Bob Harrass
- DC pre Dan Didio.
Heck, at this point, I'd even rewind both companies to 2004.
And if they have to be used outside of reprints, the 4th World characters shouldn't interact with DC Universe Imo. They're more awesome isolated in their own universe.
Without giving years, I'd stick each book to these status quos:
Thor: Asgardian Adventures only, he doesn't have a human alter ego anymore.
Iron Man: Status Quo would be that it would constantly be about acquiring some brand new technology and he'd be fight robots around the world.
FF: They'd be explorers of strange things. How long's it been they've done that?
X-Men: Just a school for Mutants. I wouldn't use the Shiar again, I think it's too far outside the book's theme.
Edited by Martin Redmond on 27 December 2007 at 7:48pm
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Thomas Moudry
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You could always rewind DC to the end of Crisis no. 12, but do it right from
there on.
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Jason Schulman
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One problem with CRISIS #12 -- Wonder Woman had been "killed." I never saw the point of that.
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Rod Collins
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I guess I'd go with 1968 for Marvel. All the books were in a good place, the can of worms unleashed by Gwen Stacey's death hadn't happened, Crystal was still with the FF, Hank Pym wasn't showing signs of emotional instability and crossovers were minimal. Marvel was still innovative and not following trends, as they began to in the 70's with the glut of Kung Fu and Supernatural characters.
Probably 1986 for DC. If, after Crisis, all the books were rebooted with a Man Of Steel style origin that got readers up to speed, removed years of accumulated dreck and established who each character was and what they stood for.
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