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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5833
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 8:29am | IP Logged | 1
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I'd rewind to 1969 -- no later than 1970. That was MARVEL. I'm not concerned about losing any great runs that appeared after that date, as some of you seem to be, because this is more about scaling back to a state of mind. JB's FF and Simonson's THOR couldn't exist in the current regime at Marvel, while they could have back in the late '60s.l
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3601
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 8:46am | IP Logged | 2
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Oh give me the magic rewind button....Marvel and DC, both back to about 1974-5 Stacy's dead but the new team is on the X-Men. Stephen said: I'm not concerned about losing any great runs that appeared after that
date, as some of you seem to be, because this is more about scaling
back to a state of mind. JB's FF and Simonson's THOR couldn't exist in
the current regime at Marvel, while they could have back in the late
'60s.
Stephen you captured perfectly what has been bothering me for 3 pages of this thread.... "we wont have...we wouldn't get..." We already have those great runs and those incredible stories. what i think we are trying to accomplish with a whole universe reboot/rewind is to create a universe that is once again condusive to creating...as it surrently stands, the universes are so bogged down with characters that have been poorly written and underserved for decades that it would be nearly impossible to make a noticible difference on any one book, without having to throw away a whole lot of crap and pretend it never happened anyway. Parker married, Spider Totem, Clone Saga, that's just on one title.
I think this era had most everything in place to make the kagic happen again.
Don
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Erin Anna Leach Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 February 2006 Location: United States Posts: 746
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 9:20am | IP Logged | 3
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Hmmm, this is a tough one JB, the one year that both companies were getting it right for the most part. I'm thinking 76 is a good point for both companies, but there will be a few things that would have to happen to get this to work.
Crossovers sould be handeled like cocktails, only in moderation or you end up making an ass out of yourself. Limited series should also be handeled in a similar manner, for the same reasons. There would have to be a ridged " stay the course " policy because the trolls out there are going to raise hell for the first five years of this. Then I hope they will have all gone away There would have to be a way found to get the comics back into the grocery stores, and other like places to make them more accessable to the younger audience.
Funny you should ask this question JB, a friend and I were speculating on Marvel doing this very thing. We have both heard a rumor that Doctor Strange has the Infinity Guantlet now, all it would take there is a snap of the fingers.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 10:02am | IP Logged | 4
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…the one year that both companies were getting it right…
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Doesn't have to be the same year for both.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 10:03am | IP Logged | 5
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…a friend and I were speculating on Marvel doing this very thing. We have
both heard a rumor that Doctor Strange has the Infinity Guantlet now, all it
would take there is a snap of the fingers.
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Any "fix" that is done as a story element or event is automatically doomed to
failure.
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Matthew Hansel Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 18 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3468
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 6
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I'm not so familiar with Marvel Lore, so I won't address that because anything I would say there would TRULY be a random date (all though, maybe that would work best!).
For DC Comics, I'd like to rewind back to the end of the first story of publication, but that provides TOO many random dates (and doesn't really follow the contest rules).
So...I'm going to say 1942 for DC. Everything that NEEDED to be there was there.
MPH
PS...I'd also like to add (and this is NOT part of the contest), but maybe actually SETTING the stories in the YEAR the character was first published would be a good idea, too. I'm working on a pitch for a character that works damned well in the 1940s and earlier, but is a wee bit more difficult to do in the 2000s and I keep coming back this particular point!
Edited by Matthew Hansel on 26 December 2007 at 11:25am
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 7
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Around 1983 for Marvel. I liked that Walt got rid of Don Blake.
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Jason Powell Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 06 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 429
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | 8
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Interesting challenge. I'll only do Marvel, 'cause I don't know enough
about DC.
From the way the rules were laid out, it sounds as if the "resent" would
not affect any of the comics that currently exist. (It's not like going back
in time to the '70s and causing all the Walt Simson Thor issues and Miller
Daredevils to suddenly vanish from existence.)
That being the case, heck, I say go all the way back to the comics with a
cover date of March, 1966. (This is the month when -- in "Tales to
Astonish" -- the world learns that Bruce Banner and the Hulk are one and
the same. That seemed like a cool moment to reset to.)
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 12:13pm | IP Logged | 9
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I can't answer for Marvel since I really only consistently read a handful of their titles and, more importantly, the problem there seemed to be a gradual rot as opposed to a single drastic mistake that could be corrected.
For DC, it's fairly simple for me. Revert everything to the way it was immediately before CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS. That event led to 20+ years of confusion and growing chaos.
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Mike Bunge Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 10 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1335
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 10
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I think you'd have to go back to 1970 or before, because it was the 70s when rot started to set in. Which isn't to say that the 70s and later didn't produce a lot of good work, or even that the creative impulses that came into the industry were all bad. But 1970 seems like the last point where you can really make a clean break with all the modern developments and mindsets that have led super-hero comics to their current position...where grown men are both reading stories about Sue Dibney getting raped and killed AND stories where the Hulk destroys huge parts of New York City without killing anyone.
Mike
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 31 May 2005 Location: United States Posts: 9122
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | 11
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Any "fix" that is done as a story element or event is automatically doomed to failure.
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Well, I'm sure if they had One More Day to get things right, they would......
Oh, yeah, that was sarcasm and NOT directed at JB.
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Scott McKeeve Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 11 November 2007 Posts: 835
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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | 12
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"For DC, it's fairly simple for me. Revert everything to the way it was immediately before CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS. That event led to 20+ years of confusion and growing chaos."
That's hilarious, Thom, because I feel the exact opposite way. Everything leading up to DC in 1985 was confusing to me. The relaunch smoothed things out and allowed opportunities like Captain Marvel joining the JLA, which I enjoyed. Ain't fandom great?
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