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Jim Lynch Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | 1
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"The Nazis are so horrifying and so scary because they were REAL "
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this is what bothers me most about Nazis, the American brand in particular. After these rallies and protests and such, these people go home, they pay their taxes, they usually send their kids to school...and they live right next door to you. they may subscribe to that ideology but they don't practice it all the time, so where are they in the off hours? During the summer we went to the swimming pool and a guy came in all tattooed with German eagles and Iron Crosses (apparently being smart enought not to emblazon a swastika on himself) and i thought, Neo-Nazis swim? And then I thought, holy shit, I live in the boonies and there's a neo-Nazi here?
And to me that's an aspect of these villains - be it Nazis, Klan, whoever - that's overlooked in popular culture. Sure these guys are a wrteched hive of scum and villainy, but they live on your street, and buy their cars from the same lot you do. That's what's truly frightening.
Not that this Red Skull doesn't kick major ass, though.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | 2
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Sure these guys are a wrteched hive of scum and villainy, but they live on
your street, and buy their cars from the same lot you do. That's what's truly
frightening.
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I've told of a dinner party a few years back where one of the guests -- a guy
we had all known for years by that point -- flabberghasted all else present,
including his own wife, by casually revealing himself to be a Holocaust
denier. Just slid right out in conversation as if it was the most natural thing
on Earth to say.
One of the most chilling moments was his wife practically yelling at him
across the table, "Don't say Hitler was right! Don't you dare say Hitler
was right!" She left, alone, a few minutes later.
Oddly, they are still together -- but the rest of us have not had a whole lot
to do with the guy since.
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | 3
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Yeesh, that's a creepy story, JB!
My parents tell of a similar story. A couple from their church invited them to an Oktoberfest celebration at a German restaurant. Everyone was having a good time, until someone pointed out a guy with a close-clipped mustache and combover haircut who was sitting at a nearby table. Turns out he's an attorney for many neo-Nazi groups. Needless to say, it put a damper on everyone's evening.
(Edit to add link)
Edited by Bruce Buchanan on 16 February 2009 at 1:07pm
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:09pm | IP Logged | 4
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I'll never understand the Holocaust deniers. It's one thing to think it was a good thing or whatever, but to say that it never happened? What about the scads of footage of the atrocities in action? How do they actually answer that?
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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I'll never understand the Holocaust deniers. It's one thing to think it was a good thing or whatever, but to say that it never happened?
A denier, could, theoretically, just be ignorant or stupid. One who thinks it was a good thing while acknowledging it happened, is just an evil human being.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 16 February 2009 at 1:14pm
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | 6
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But that's the thing....it's beyond ignorant and stupid. The proof of its existence is all over the place !I have to wonder what their answer is to that.
Then again, maybe I shouldn't be too shocked....there are some morons that think that explosives were planted in the WTC towers on 9/11, and all footage to the contrary was captured _live_!
Edited by Vinny Valenti on 16 February 2009 at 1:25pm
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:30pm | IP Logged | 7
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Vinny, people of all stripes will believe any number of conspiracy theories. Many people believe that the government introduced crack to the inner cities. Others think the moon landing was faked. Some just like to believe in consipiracies. Doesn't make them evil or bad, just ill informed. To acknowledge something like the holocaust and to think it was a good thing though , , , , yikes!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | 8
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What about the scads of footage of the atrocities in action? How do they
actually answer that?
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Various excuses exist. One of the more popular is that the bodies we have
all seen being bulldozed into mass graves are those of German soldiers
murdered by Allied troops.
The thing that boggles my mind is those who insist that the Holocaust
happened, but on a smaller scale. "No more than a million deaths!"
Oh, well, that's all right then. . .
What kinds of minds work like that?
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:34pm | IP Logged | 9
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Of course acknowledging-yet-supporting the Holocaust is pure evil, but denying it ever happened is not really any less evil, IMO.
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | 10
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Sure these guys are a wrteched hive of scum and villainy, but they live on your street, and buy their cars from the same lot you do. That's what's truly frightening. --- ...and they're policemen, doctors, lawyers, politicians, teachers, etc.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | 11
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Which is why the First Amendment really does need that "except for
assholes" clause!
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 16 February 2009 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | 12
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...but denying it ever happened is not really any less evil, IMO.
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I agree, Vinny, because I don't think Holocaust deniers are coming from a position of ignorance. It's not like they are denying, say, that Poland was invaded on Sept. 1, 1939 or that Pearl Harbor was bombed on Dec. 7, 1941. The only historical event they seem to be in denial of is the Holocaust.
That, to me, indicates a willful and malicious intent. I think there's something at work here besides the type of crackpottery that leads people to think the moon landing was fake or the government distributed crack in the inner city.
(Personally, I think that Holocaust deniers know that it happened and, in fact, applaud it. But they know they can't come out and say they support mass murder.)
Edited by Bruce Buchanan on 16 February 2009 at 1:55pm
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