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John Byrne
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I could be wrong, but the first time that was apparently revealed was when
Wolverine and Rogue lost their powers in Genosha, and the first time he
"popped" his claws, he immediately started bleeding all over his hands, with
no healing factor to close up the wounds again.
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If he lost his powers, wouldn't that have included having claws at all?
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Don't confuse powers and mutations. Altho they are usually one and the
same, there can be some gray areas. If we accept the ludicrous idea that
Wolverine's claws are part of his mutation, "taking away his powers" would
not make the claws disappear -- not unless there was something far more
extensive going on than was suggested by that story.
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John Byrne
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With what happened with the character in ensuing years, it's a shame this
was not "in continuity" rather than an alternate future (from Uncanny X-
Men 142)
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Keep in mind that that was never intended to be an "alternate future", but
rather a future that the X-Men successfully prevented from happening.
Chris fucking that up is one of the many reasons I quit the book.
Even if it is an "alternate future", in any case, that should not have any effect
on what we saw of Wolverine's skeleton in that shot. The whole point of an
"alternate" is that it begins at some place in common with the "real" timeline
-- in the case of "Days of Future Past" the commonality being everything
that led up to the assassination of Senator Kelly.
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Vinny Valenti
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"If he lost his powers, wouldn't that have included having claws at all?"
What JB said, but also bear in mind that the story I mentioned took place before all of the "bone claw" nonsense, anyway. That would be like having Spider-Man's web-shooters fail upon his losing his powers (ignoring the movies, of course).
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Tshombe K. Hamilton
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In the Art of JB it is mentioned the Canandian gov't replaced his bones with the adamantium skeleton and installed RAZOR SHARP claws. Then along the way i got changed to his skeleton being laced with installed claws. Then the bone claw saga came. If you take bone claws and coat them in admantium they are not going to be razor sharp. But you are absolutely correct with the comment on uppping the ante to keep Logan's rep. and I thik it has more to do with lazy/unskilled writers who put Logan in situations he really should not be in. Then they pass it off as his healing factor.
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William McCormick
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I'm so glad I don't read Marvel anymore. I just read somewhere that Norman Osborn is now the most powerful man in the whole MU. He's accepted by the general public because after Secret Invasion he's the only one they feel can protect them from the Skrulls. Any truth to this?
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Thad Studebaker
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It's true. Osborn killed a Skrull on live TV for the world to see, so he was hailed as the hero of the war. He took Tony Stark's place as head of SHIELD then dismantled it to build a new organization, HAMMER. (Just in case there are those who don't want it all spoiled.)
Edited by Thad Studebaker on 09 March 2009 at 8:03am
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Wayde Murray
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JB wrote:
Don't confuse powers and mutations. Altho they are usually one and the
same, there can be some gray areas. If we accept the ludicrous idea that
Wolverine's claws are part of his mutation, "taking away his powers" would
not make the claws disappear -- not unless there was something far more
extensive going on than was suggested by that story.
An excellent point. If Cyclops and Angel both had their mutation suppressed, we might assume that Cyclops could no longer generate his optic blasts, but we would not expect Angel's wings to fall off or even atrophy. Similarly, Storm might lose her ability to affect weather, but Nightcrawler's appearance shouldn't change. A "loss of power" for Angel would have to involve loss of control of his wings, rather than the physical loss of his wings, since his entire body has been genetically modified to permit him to fly. Removing his mutation would probably kill him.
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William McCormick
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Wow, just wow, Thad.
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Bruce Buchanan
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William, the Norman Osborn stuff really isn't so bad - it's actually pretty interesting. He's still the same ol' scummy Green Goblin we know and hate. He's just got a lot of powerful people in government (and the general public) duped into thinking he's one of the good guys. In many ways, this makes him more dangerous than ever.
It's not some major shift for the character. It's just a case of a villain being cunning and sneaky. But the heroes (and the readers) know the real score.
(And to prevent this from being a total thread drift, Wolverine should always have adamantium claws, never bone claws. And his healing factor shouldn't be overemphasized. He's tough, but he can be hurt.)
Edited by Bruce Buchanan on 09 March 2009 at 8:27am
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It's not some major shift for the character.
Except that he died in Amazing Spider-Man #122. I think the new guys a Skrull.
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John Byrne
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William, the Norman Osborn stuff really isn't so bad - it's actually pretty
interesting.
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Replace "actually" with "something I find". You're not stating fact, you're
expressing an opinion.
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Bruce Buchanan
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Except that he died in Amazing Spider-Man #122. I think the new guys a Skrull.
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Well, yeah. I wish he had stayed dead. Bringing Norman Osborn back definitely undercut Amazing Spider-Man #122 (probably my favorite Spider-Man issue ever).
But that was a decision made 12 or so years ago. Norman's back and he's going to be featured prominently. I'm merely suggesting that casting him as a master manipulator fits in with what we know about the character.
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