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John Byrne
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Yes, indeed! Jim Shooter, the Great Defender of Artists, Widows and Orphans, insisted that the changes be made to X-MEN 137 and 138 WITHOUT PAYMENT to Chris and me, because this was our "mistake" that was being "fixed".++ Did you and Chris finally get payment when they used those pages for Phoenix: The Untold Story? •• We got royalties from the sales of the book, but not for the pages of art and script. We'd already been paid for those, back when 137 was first produced. THE UNTOLD STORY did not use the redrawn/rewritten pages, remember. Terry, of course, lucked out doubly, since he was paid to ink the pages he had not inked back in 1980 -- so he got paid the first time, AND the second!
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Jason Czeskleba
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John Byrne wrote:
| X-MEN didn't have the sales, but it WAS the book people were talking about. |
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Although X-Men was only an average seller overall, it was a big hit in the direct sales market at the time, always among the top 2 or 3 sellers in The Comic Reader's survey of comic shop sales. So if they wanted to reach the fan audience specifically, X-Men was the book to do it with.
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Tim O Neill
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Cory V: "I'm backing up Paul on this, I remember John being 6+ pages into X-Men 138 when the edict came down from Shooter and how John had to repencil the last part of 137 virtually overnight, and then repencil portions of 138."
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Last summer, Terry Austin visited JB's place with a mound of original art pages from their collaboration together. He asked JB to sign the pages, which resulted in a pretty wild trip down Memory Lane, and Dark Phoenix was a memorable landmark!
Among the pages you could see evidence of the unusual nature of #138. One of the final inked panels featuring Jean's funeral was taped onto the final art page.
JB flipped up the funeral scene panel on the page. Under it, on the original page, were his pencils of an entirely different scene. Pencils that JB had done thirty years before. The rest of the page had been inked, but the funeral panel was added before the inks, leaving the original pencils intact.
Now that's a page heavy with history!
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Brian Miller
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Wow.
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Joe Hollon
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Tim, that's the story of the year!
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It would be great to see those pencils.
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Tim O Neill
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It was WILD!
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Joe Hollon
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Tim they should've recorded that whole experience for 60 MINUTES or some sort of comicbook history documentary.
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Tim O Neill
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That would be an amazing film, Joe - penciler and inker talking about the pages of such a historic story
Over the last year, I've been thinking a book featuring the pages from the collaboration with their commentary would be a better manifestation of this. When Terry Austin is ready to sell his pages, I think he and JB should strike a book deal at the same time. JB and TA collaborated on more than the X-Men, and to focus on just their collaboration would be unique and fascinating look at the penciler/inker team from Star Lord to Doom Patrol.
And it would be good to look at this work through the prism of TA's inks as I think Marvel has sold him short in recent years by not featuring his name on the cover of recent Dark Phoenix trades. I never thought that was right.
It's a natural for a book, featuring pics of the original art - which would look amazing in a large format.
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Cory Vandernet
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I went digging into the gallery and pulled these out. 
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Cory Vandernet
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"Keep everything!" says The Fandom Stranger I knew I had this someplace, from 1980 
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