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Joke apart i loved Jean as Phoenix and never was happy that her dark side became more than a Hulk sort of menace (something bad inside).

I wasn't happy to see her destroy an inhabited  planet, and even less happy to see her die.

Loved the Hellfire arc, stopped to like the Dark Phoenix one when she destroyed that star.

But of course i wanted to keep Jean as Phoenix, that's how i liked and still like her.

That didn't stop me to continue to enjoy both yours and Chris' work ,though.

All things considered, I think it would have been far better to just play Jean's powers for all they were worth. In the early issues, she was VERY powerful, yet somehow limitations got imposed -- many of which ignored what had been already established. For instance, how do we reconcile her not being able to use her TK powers to lift anything greater than she could physically carry with…

Sure, she "feels faint" after this little exploit, but that seems more in the writing than the pictures -- and even if those are particularly skinny ladies she's hoisting about a quarter of a ton there, CONSIDERABLY more than she could carry by hand!

Seems like Jack wanted her to be a lot more powerful than Stan did -- and I would have taken that scene as an indication that she merely needed to PRACTICE. It is a SCHOOL, after all, right?

No need to BOOST her powers, any more than I BOOSTED Sue's powers to show everybody that the Invisible Girl was a major player!

This is a case where I wish the powers that were would have allowed Chris & John to put the "toys" back on the shelf where they found them.  I much prefered Jean as Marvel Girl over Phoenix and it would have been nice had they been able to restore her to that immediately after the Dark Phoenix saga.

But it would mean swapping out the Phoenix's return and Jean's heroic self-sacrifice for an ending of complete defeat at the hands of the Shi'ar.

You can read approximately what was intended in Phoenix the Untold Story (with a few odd editorial changes). Nice stuff, but not quite as unforgettable as what was acctually published.

I would've rather she got control back instead of quitting.

Shooter's idea of having her tortured for eternity appals me. Not only because torture is unethical. Let's look at the context of what Jean did, Mastermind and the Hellfire Club had been continually drugging her against her will. So Jean didn't have much judgement here. She sure didn't plan to do all this. It's a situation in which she needed help and could've been corrected with non violent means. Especially not a lobotomy. That's awful.

I still dislike the DPS ending a whole lot, but I grew to be a big fan of both Claremont and Byrne (seperated from each other) anyway.

I think something like this came up awhile back.  I mean about Jean's power levels in the Silver Age.  I remember posting something about it.I still think that the Thomas/Adams version can hold her own with any member of the team.  She's no damsel in distress.  Just pick up with those power levels when the new book started.  Of course it depends on what they were looking for.  That Jean would not have been the team powerhouse that Phoenix was.

You don't need Phoenix for Jean to be very formidable on her own.  X Factor and the 90s proved that.  That character can't take out Magneto or Apocalypse by herself either.  Good, I say.  If she can, what is the rest of the team for?

I like Jean Grey.  Jean Grey was my favorite female member of the X Man, not Phoenix. My affection for Jean Grey wasn't in looking for stories that explored her dark side or urges.  The original Hellfire Club story is her scaring the shit out of their guards as well as Scott and Ororo.  To each his own.  That is not what I'm looking for from Jean Grey.

I read the Shooter article... and laughed.  No matter what arithmetic he uses to calculate his worth for this story, Dark Phoenix will go down in history *synonymous with Claremont & Byrne.  Otherwise, we'd still be celebrating Homer's ILIAD editor.. oh, what was his name?  Exactly.

The Postal Service might as well take credit for having a hand in it.  "Well, we delivered it." 

This is a bit of a non sequitur, but I happened upon the third X-Men film on the television last night.  It's the first time I've seen it since I started interacting with JB on this site.  And I have to say, it's uncomfortable to watch now.  I dunno what metaphor most aptly captures that feeling, but I'm fairly certain that in the future, it will be it's own metaphor: "Oh man, that's like watching X-Men The Last Stand after you've talked to John Byrne!"

*I actually misspelled this on my first pass, but ironically, could not think of a similar word (to use instead).

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I merely join a long line of creators who have seen their works ravaged by Hollywood. A while back I posted a link to the original Edison Studios version of "Frankenstein". It bore absolutely no resemblance to the original story. Mary Shelley did not live to see that mangling of her work, of course, but it is significant to note that the Hollywood attitude goes back a long, long way. Once someone gets it into their heads that "changes must be made" in translating one form into another, it seems all the stops are pulled out, and the changes become more important than any pretense of fidelity.

William Goldman address this in one of his books about writing for Hollywood -- and what it almost painfully ironic is that he demonstrates using one of his own stories how changes HAVE TO BE made, while at the same time complaining about the changes a different writer made to one of his novels when brining it to the screen.

X-MEN got off on entirely the wrong foot, and it has been downhill at an ever increasing speed since then.