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Andrew Kneath
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Over on the DC Action Board a few weeks back there were a few posters raving about Ian Churchill's art on that cover. I couldn't resist chipping in and pointing out the fact that their faces are identical and that Superman appears to be wearing stilts! ; - )
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Vinny Valenti
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Matt Hawes wrote:
| There are Jim Lee "faces," Frank Miller "faces," Steve Dillon "faces," and so on. They don't draw every character with the same face anymore than JB does, but you know their style when you see it. I think that must be the problem with the numbskulls that are trying to criticize JB on his faces. |
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I think the biggest reason why JB's work gets shat upon so often is the old saying - "familiarity breeds contempt". Of the artists you menton above, JB is the only one who was put at at least one monthly book continuously for the past 30 years (with just one recent exception). For instance, I think people oooh and aaah whenever Jim Lee takes on a project partially because they don't get to see new work from him that often. When someone sees JB's work every month for decades and they see the patterns to his art, they start to associate that with blandness. But If they saw the same patterns in other artists as often, I think they'd come to the same conclusion as well.
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Brian Linnen
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Jason,
That was easily the ugliest cover I have seen in quite some time. The art inside wasn't quite as bad - it was still very "Image-ish" - but God, the two faces on the cover are practically identical! For the life of me, I can't understand why the word "superstar" is attached to Churchill's name.
Brian
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Jason Fulton
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I'm guessing you could apply the 'his faces look identical' to just about any of these newfangled 'superstar' artists....but to JB? That's crazy talk.
Edited to add qualifier.
Edited by Jason Fulton on 27 May 2005 at 10:52am
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Tim O Neill
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John Byrne wrote:
...all those people look like brothers and
sisters...
*****
Are we not, truly, each other's brothers and sisters?
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That reminds me - I have to feed my imaginary unicorn, Rusty.
He eats invisible oats from a magical glass trough.
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John Byrne
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Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try to love one another right now
*****
I'd like to buy the World a Coke,
And keep it company. . .
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Matt Reed
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And he calls me the hippie, granola eating, tree hugging, Hollywood fag...
Sheesh!
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John Byrne
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Don't bring me down, man.
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Andrew Kneath
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Brian Linnen wrote:
| For the life of me, I can't understand why the word "superstar" is attached to Churchill's name.
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Everybody is a "Superstar" now in comics.
I was quite pleased recently to see the excellent "Tom Grummett" described as a superstar artist.
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Grow apple trees and honey bees and snow white turtle doves...
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Andrew Kneath wrote:
| I was quite pleased recently to see the excellent "Tom Grummett" described as a superstar artist. |
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It's about time. He deserves it. All it takes for a good artist to reach that status is to find the right book to gain recognition. Grummett just wasn't getting it by doing books like Superboy.
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One of the things I have noticed about these know-nothing fanboys and the mantras they spout is that those mantras are usually way out of date. Consider the "no backgrounds" charge. There was a period during my FF/ALPHA days that I was forced by circumstances to cut back on backgrounds (it had to do with the way the pages were being lettered) and it is those pages to which many of my detractors still point -- 20 years later. That's when they're not pulling six or seven "backgroundless" panels from a job with close to 140 panles in it!The problem with all these bits of dogma is that they are just that -- dogma. They are ways for the True Believers to show how Wise and All-Knowing they are, and few dare challenge them lest they be viewed as unknowing fools. Abraham Lincoln said it was better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. The internet has reversed this.
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