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Eric Russ
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Posted: 15 June 2025 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Hi John,


I read on Mark Evanier’s website that Jack Kirby seldom did pre-planning/sketches when working, and that, along with his work ethic, were factors that positively impacted his output.  


Your output is fast as well. I was wondering if you did extensive planning/sketches when creating and how much lead time there is between the initial idea and producing pencils. 

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Posted: 15 June 2025 at 11:12pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I used to do detailed thumbnails, back before I turned pro, but it didn’t take long to realize the fewer times I drew a page, the more energy the drawings would have. So I started doing my “thumbnails” full sized right on the page.
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Posted: 16 June 2025 at 12:18am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

JB - And did you sometimes look at those full size thumbnails, erase them, and start over?  Or did you follow Joe Simon’s advice to Kirby “You get paid to pencil, not to erase.”?
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Posted: 16 June 2025 at 1:08am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

That makes perfect sense.  Thanks, John.
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Posted: 16 June 2025 at 11:51am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

JB - And did you sometimes look at those full size thumbnails, erase them, and start over? Or did you follow Joe Simon’s advice to Kirby “You get paid to pencil, not to erase.”?

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I used to depend heavily on my eraser—not as a drawing tool as I now use it. Sometimes I would get so obsessed with erasing and redrawing that I would very nearly rub my way right thru the paper (which made it hell to ink!).

It was Al Milgrom who, very early in my career, told me the Simon/Kirby “You don’t get paid to erase” story, which changed my whole approach.

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Posted: 16 June 2025 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Incidentally, I was asked a similar question a few decades ago at MidOhioCon. I gave the same answer as seen in my first post above. A fan “reporter” posted an abbreviated version, saying the fact that I had stopped doing thumbnails was why my old stuff was better.

That I had stopped before I turned pro was lost on this doofus.

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