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Peter Martin
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Posted: 01 March 2026 at 2:36am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

It is a kind of enticing false logic the growing roses thing.

Ignoring the fact that it was disingenuous anyway, perfectionism of this sort belies a lack of confidence. There is enough evidence, from the Beatles, to Motown, to Elton John, to Philip K Dick, and decades that cover the key times for comics (to mention just a few).. you're better off getting the ideas out there without fretting about smoothing the rough edges too much. And it's  a notion that doesn't even really work for an immediate, generally non-iterative medium like comics anyway. Just get the work out there.



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Posted: 01 March 2026 at 1:08pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

“Get it right the next time.”

It’s a mantra that has served me well over the years, and one I have tried to impress on up-and-coming artists.

It’s important to remember that the readers have only the published work to go by, and have no way to know if a particular image is exactly what the artist intended.

As long as you’re doing your best, given the circumstances, there’s nothing to be ashamed of.

(In my fan days I would often labor over a piece of artwork, erasing and erasing until I sometimes wore right thru the paper. I had not yet learned Joe Simon’s words to Jack Kirby: “You don’t get paid to erase.”)

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Colin Ian Campbell
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Posted: 01 March 2026 at 2:59pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

My favourite rushed art was on Iron Man #39.  Herb Trimpe said he drew the cover in two hours and pencilled and inked the 19 page story in a couple of days.  Some people thought it had the worst artwork Marvel ever published, but I quite liked the funkiness of it.
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Posted: 01 March 2026 at 4:37pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

A note in passing:

That three day Spider-Man issue happened because it was discovered there actually was no next issue waiting in the drawer. A writer had departed, leaving vouchers screwed up. It was only by sheer chance that Roger Stern discovered the mess.

So Roger bashed out a plot for me. Frank Miller, hearing what was happening, suggested that instead of breakdowns, as intended, I should do my usual tight full pencils and the printer shoot from those.

Shooter declared we were crowding the deadlines much too close for that. So I did tight breakdowns and sent those to the Office, where they sat on Shooter’s desk for NINE DAYS until he approved an inker.

A notoriously slow inker. (Why they didn’t hand it to multiple inkers I will never know!)

Somehow, the issue came out on time.

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Rick Whiting
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Posted: 02 March 2026 at 12:05am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

The next time someone says JB's art (or any other artist who can crank out pages at a fast rate and on time) "looks rushed" show them some of Rob Liefeld's comic book work.

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Of all his sins, Todd McFarlane’s greatest must surely be selling consumers on the idea that late books were due to the creators working extra hard—“growing roses”.

I still remember when Spawn was two months late, McFarlane skipped two issue numbers to get around paying the distributers penalties for late issues. Guess those "roses" got too expensive!
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Posted: 02 March 2026 at 4:14pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

That three day Spider-Man issue happened because it was discovered there actually was no next issue waiting in the drawer. A writer had departed, leaving vouchers screwed up. It was only by sheer chance that Roger Stern discovered the mess.

So Roger bashed out a plot for me.

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I momentarily wondered if Roger's impromptu writing of this story may have inspired him to write Spider-Man regularly, but according to the cover dates, Roger started his run on PETER PARKER THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN one month earlier than this issue. 



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Steve Coates
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Posted: 02 March 2026 at 4:52pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Your lordship :-)

How much did you compare the printed book to your pencils? 

Was there ever an occurrence where the inker or colorist completely missed a key element to the story?
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 02 March 2026 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

A notoriously slow inker.
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I’m amazed Shooter handed it to him, based on the things I have read about
how he was treated by Shooter - some going so far as to accusing Shooter
of putting so much pressure on him that it contributed to his ill health and
eventual death.
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