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Posted: 05 July 2026 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

One thing I do think however is that rather than aiming towards the widest market; DC and Marvel should aim their comics at the market of people who want those things from their stories and care about the crafted subworlds.

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Which is precisely what Marvel and DC have been doing for forty years.

You’re too young to remember when comics were EVERYWHERE. Not just newsstands, but drugstores, grocery stores, bus stations, train stations. Anywhere people might buy spontaneously. A time, in other words, when buying comics did not require a special trip to a specific location.

The Direct Sales Market (DSM) was conceived as a way for dealers to build up stocks of back issues. It was not meant to become the primary sales venue. But it did not take long for publishers to see that NON-RETURNABLE sales to the DSM were 100% profit. They didn’t have to worry about shipping 600,000 units to those other venues, only to see half returned. Sell-through was the concern of the shops, not the publishers.

Which had the effect of turning a broad based market into a niche market. Just what you describe.

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Posted: 06 July 2026 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

"You’re too young to remember when comics were EVERYWHERE."
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Growing up in Fairfield County CT during the 1960s and 1970s, comics gradually began to disappear from places where you would see comics regularly appear. Huntington Pharmacy had a magazine section in the store. Comics briefly disappeared in 1970, then showed up again in 1971, then disappeared completely in 1972. 

Right next to Huntington Pharmacy, Beechwood Food Store (before the mega-chains like Stop and Shop began to appear) would sometimes have the DC four packs (when comics were 12 cents). They began to disappear when comics rose to 20 cents.

So it wasn't unusual where I wouldn't be able to find the next issue in the series, and my parents weren't going to drive around other stores within a 10 mile radius to find the next issue. I was just out of luck.
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Posted: 07 July 2026 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Piggybacking off of William.....

There were quite a few corner stores, newsstands, and pharmacies within a 2 mile radius from my home where I could ride my bike and purchase a book or 3 in East Baltimore.

During the Spring of 1977, I found out that there was a comic shop (cannot for the life of me remember the name) in Fells Point near Broadway Market (This was 3 years before Geppi's opened his shop at Harborplace in 1980). I would put in the extra 15 minutes pedaling to get books during that Summer of 77. They had specials on back issues, 10 for a $1. In one of those packs, I discovered the X-Men (X-MEN #103 to be exact).

Come Fall of '77, it was back to school (beginning my junior high years) and Pop Warner football, so my time for comics kinda slipped away. From Sept '77 through February 1978, I missed out on many books ( including JB classics AVENGERS #166, and MARVEL TEAM-UP #63-70). During that time, when I managed to get some time back, I rode my bike to that comic shop only to find out that it had closed. It had taken me until June of 1980 to find another comic shop which I found the end of the Nefaria Saga (1 month before the opening of the Harborplace store).

Every March to early Sept of 1977- 79, I had a serious comics buying spurt, then it fell off due to school and football. At that point, I had so many gaps in my collection that my little brother would ask me when was I going to purchase new issues. Also, many of the places that had sold comics were beginning to stop. One of the corner stores where they were being sold, I got to know the owner. Asked him why he stopped, he said there was not any profit. 

The Geppi's Harborplace store got me into buying comics on the regular, 2-3 times monthly while in high school. It was easily accessible on the bus line home from school, or on the weekends.

I guess for me, it was the advantage of living a big city where having public transportation to get to some places I would probably would not have otherwise.

....looking back at those times now at 60+.......damn I miss 'em.......

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Posted: 07 July 2026 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

What we see is what I have mentioned before, the slow transition of comics from impulse purchases to product that required the would be purchaser to make a deliberate decision to go to a specific place.

And it only got worse. As the DSM took over as primary venue, the clubhouse mentality became more and more dominant. “Firewalls” went up around the hobby. Increasingly potential readers had to ask “what’s a good jumping on point?” Every issue as a first issue for somebody was a lost concept.

The comicbook market became the living embodiment of the old joke about the Wogga-Wogga bird, which flies in ever decreasing circles until it disappears up its own………

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Posted: 07 July 2026 at 1:17pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Not wishing to continue the topic drift, but...
I do some on-sale date tracking and I made a chart with sources and included the progression of the newsstand to direct market transition. Which is shown in the two grey fields in the graphic below. It didn't take long to destroy the newsstand market.
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Posted: 07 July 2026 at 1:29pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Give the Publishers a venue with a 100% profit margin, and you can be darn sure that is where they are going to focus their attention!
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