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Bill Dowling
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John: see earlier comment about nonrepresentative photos. (sorry Gail)
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John Webb
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John: see earlier comment about nonrepresentative photos. (sorry Gail)
I think I know the photo you are refering to The one that has her looking upwards, right? Thats what I would call an online dating type best pic. I have seen pictures of her at shows and I still stand by what I said.
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Jacob P Secrest
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Mike Norris wrote:
(8) You wonder about the sex lives of the creators.
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I'm almost in the same category as Mike, only if you change "Never"
to "Not until you mentioned it".
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Andrew W. Farago
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On the graphic novel thing: I've got no problem using
the term "graphic novel" for self-contained stories,
even if they were serialized before they were
collected. V for Vendetta, Watchmen, Box Office
Poison, From Hell--if you get the entire story under
one cover and it's a complete narrative, I'd just as
soon call it a graphic novel as a trade paperback.
Maus was serialized before it was collected, but I
don't think I've ever really thought of it as anything
other than a complete graphic novel, either.
All the librarians I know use the term, too, even for
things like Batman and Spider-Man collections,
which they'll usually call a "series of graphic novels."
If it gets them to order more trades and get them into
the hands of young readers, and if it makes them
feel better about spending library funds on them,
they can call them whatever they'd like, really.
I don't think it all ties into an embarrassment of
comic books, but I think the general public has a very
set concept in mind when they hear the term "comic
book," and it's most likely whatever they read (or
whatever kids in their school read) when they were
kids. By using the term "graphic novel," writers can
bypass whatever stigma might be attached to "comic
book" and drive it into people's heads that you can
use comics to tell more than one type of story.
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Matt Reed
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Eh. Whenever one of my friends hears "graphic novel" they just think "big comic book". They also think, as another person mentioned up thread, that it means they are truly "graphic" in nature. I think we spend far too much time worrying about what others think of what we love, pouring time and energy into creating new terms so as to be accepted by those who are not comic book fans, that it even filters out into making characters more "mature" with the perceived notion that by doing so, it will make people more willing to pick up a book about Spider-Man. That's so wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to describe, not the least of which is totally missing the point that the audience mainstream superhero titles should be reaching out to are kids. That's where the health of the industry is, and not whether we call a comic book a "graphic novel" or something else entirely so the popular kids will like us.
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John Webb
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In many ways I think the only 'elitist' term that many of us use is TPB. How is a civilian supposed to know what a trade paper back is?
Edited by John Webb on 11 April 2006 at 3:12pm
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Jacob P Secrest
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When I first got into comics, I sure as hell didn't.
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Mike Norris
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To civilian who reads books, a trade paperback is bigger than a paperback bit not a hardcover. When comics started using the term I had to do a double take since I was working at a bookstore and had been selling trade paperbacks for years. On the other hand graphic novels was a new term. Though as a retailer I hated both because they were neither fish nor fowl. They didn't fit on mass market paperback shelves and they werent hardbacks to they didn't fit there either!!! Major havoc in the merchandising plan!!!!
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John Mietus
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I met Colleen Doran in the mid-'80s and she was smokin' hot then. Don't
know what she looks like now.
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Joe Zhang
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"And so we bid a not-so-sad adieu to yet another
auto-contrarian."
Good riddance.
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John Webb
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Who are we saying good ridance to? I can't find the 'nonsence' quote that JB put in his post.
I'm ready for a lynching but don't know who my target is :-(
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John Mietus
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I just figured it was someone already on my Ignore list.
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