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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

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Put me in the pre_Byrne Superman looks like an old guy. He is drawn and acts middle age. Sometimes he looks like he has a severe receding hairline. George Reeves Superman also looks very very old.
I've never seen that Superman as much younger than at least 35, and probably closer to 40.
The newer Superman has seemed somewhat younger.
Someone closing in on 30 during the 1950s was far more mature than someone that age now, which is obviously unfortunate
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The guy 30 years old in the 50s had been to war, and had 3 kids. He had been reared in the Great Depression, but now was able to buy a home. He had been working for at least 12 years. The guy 30 years old now could be only a few years out of school, cannot afford to buy a house, and is at best married a year with no kids. He's probably been working full-time 5 years. There is a big difference. He is less mature because less has happened to him (and to be fair less is expected of him).
On the other hand, he is probably a more sensitive and understanding person, less likely to be racist and sexist, and more likely to have a closer relationship with his children when he does have them. (Maybe too close-see some of the kids).
Edited by Rob Hewitt on 12 April 2006 at 8:07am
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Robert Last Byrne Robotics Member

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A large part of a person's age is really their state of mind. I know people half my age who are "older" than me. I don't mean more mature either! (almost everyone is more mature than me!)
Can you be too old to read comics? Had a 87 year old customer who'd been reading them since the early fourties, so I'd say no to that one.
Too old to write them? I imagine there are certain physical limitations that would apply, certainly to an artist trying to maintain a monthly schedule as they got older, but I'd guess that would only really kick in when you reached a good age anyway. Will Eisner was certainly still producing relevent work up to his death, so that proves it's possible.
As for not reading comics anymore, but still producing them? mmm... don't know. I doubt it's the best way to do it. It's like a musician not listening to music. I'd think you would quickly lose touch and enthusiasm. Just my guess.
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Jacob P Secrest Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 18 October 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4068
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Jeff Patterson wrote:
V for Vendetta was a serialized story in a british anthology magazine
before DC collected it into a monthly.
I've always been under the impression that a "graphic novel" denoted a
story with a set end, as opposed to a continuing story (like most
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V for Vendetta didn't start out with a set end, it was Moore's first (and
failed) attempt at an ongoing series, it just didn't turn out that way in the
end.
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Trevor Krysak Byrne Robotics Member

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"What is the point of giving a character a name that has nothing to do with their particular schtick, unless, as noted many times, they somehow become appropriate via specific use, a la Cyclops or Medusa? "
Wouldn't it get a tad boring and predictable if every character was named by what they could do? Shouldn't there be some variety to the naming of characters? I like that most characters are given a name that fits their power/origin but I think it could get a little silly if every character had to do this. Might just be me.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

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What the heck is Cable's power anyway?
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John Byrne
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Wouldn't it get a tad boring and predictable if every character was named by what they could do? Shouldn't there be some variety to the naming of characters?*** Are Cyclops and Medusa "named by what they could do"? It's true even Stan Lee broke this rule occasionally -- Black Bolt, Gorgon, Karnak and Crystal have names that really tell us nothing about them (tho, it can be noted, the latter three are actually their real names, albeit in translation). But for the most part, it's best if the name and the costume tell us who the character is.
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Jeff Stockwell Byrne Robotics Member

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"What the heck is Cable's power anyway?"
He's a bad mofo.
Unfortunately, that describes the "power" of too many other equally bad
characters.
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member

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But by that logic Cable shoud shoot wires from his hands or give you HBO. And Bishop should have something to do with chess or the church.
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You're being sarcastic, but you are correct. What is the point of giving a character a name that has nothing to do with their particular schtick, unless, as noted many times, they somehow become appropriate via specific use, a la Cyclops or Medusa?
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Yep. To this day I can never recall what Bishop's power is becuae there is no "hook".
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Gregg Allinson Byrne Robotics Member

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The mainstream guys-in-tights scene resembles pro-wrestling or Power Rangers, two other things I consider myself too old for.
Thus proving JB's point.
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Todd Douglas Byrne Robotics Member

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Mike Norris wrote:
| Yep. To this day I can never recall what Bishop's power is becuae there is no "hook". |
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Please refer to:
John Byrne wrote:
| It's true even Stan Lee broke this rule occasionally -- Black Bolt, Gorgon, Karnak and Crystal have names that really tell us nothing about them (tho, it can be noted, the latter three are actually their real names, albeit in translation). |
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Given that the character's name is Lucas Bishop.... ;-)
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

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Bishop I believe absorbs kinetic energy or some such. You shoot him with an energy blasts he can absorb it and shoot it right back at you
He never had another identity-never needed it where he was from I guess.
Edited by Rob Hewitt on 12 April 2006 at 10:07am
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Jason Schulman Byrne Robotics Member

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So you "don't enjoy" Superman, Spider-Man, the
Hulk, any of the X-Men, Doctor Strange, Doctor Fate, the Fantastic
Four, Captain America, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Hawkman, Flash,
Thor, Iron Man, the Atom..... well. any superhero comics.
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You misinterpreted what I said. When there is, and can't be, any even
semi-credible explanation for how the powers work (you gave an at least
semi-credible explanation for how Superman's powers work, for example),
then it interferes with my enjoyment of the characters. (Note that I'm
not talking about how the characters get
their powers.) Sometimes I can still get past it if it's a character I
always had a personal attachment to (the Hulk), more often I can't
becaust I don't find the character that compelling anyway (Iceman, the
Angel).
And magical/mystic and mythology-based characters have never really been my thing, the Spectre excepted.
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