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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Joined: 16 April 2004 Posts: 36559
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The internet has only added to that entitlement, sadly, Andrew. Now fanboys can post reactions to comics seconds after reading them (or in many cases reactions based only on a two-line solicitation copy), with both Marvel and DC reading and reacting to said posts. And it's often the loudest and most crass who are heard above those that simply like what they read and don't feel the need to second guess creators, write lengthy on-line "reviews" for sites I wouldn't visit if you paid me (often written with an extreme bias one way or the other about certain creators), and who work really, really hard to keep in tact the stereotype that comic book fans are a bunch of immature, basement-dwelling moma's boys who would, in fact, faint if they ever saw a real live honest-to-goodness naked breast or ten minutes or more of sunshine in a day.
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Glenn Greenberg Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6745
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| Posted: 12 April 2006 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | 2
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<<in TEEN TITANS they all seem a good 17ish the way the act and are
drawn (not Impulse but Superboy, Robin, and Wonder Girl). Certainly not
13.>>
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I know Superboy and Wonder Girl did the nasty in the ANNUAL that just
came out a week or so ago.
JB, you must be THRILLED about that!
I still remember vividly how the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell
were publicly horrified when Dick Grayson and Starfire were shown in bed
together in THE NEW TEEN TITANS (Deluxe Edition) #1, back in 1984.
Wonder what their reaction would be if someone were to shove this new
Teen Titans--emphasis on the word TEEN--book under their noses.
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Todd Douglas Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 July 2004 Posts: 4099
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| Posted: 12 April 2006 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | 3
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QUOTE:
Uh...
Isn't Tim Drake supposed to be, like, 15 years old at MOST? |
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Not if we go by what's explicitly stated in the books.
15 at the time he became Robin (and, thanks to a hardship driver's license due to Jack Drake's medical condition at the time, the recipient of the Redbird)
Celebrated a 16th birthday in his own title.
At least 17 now, since it's One Year Later.
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Glenn Greenberg Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6745
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| Posted: 12 April 2006 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | 4
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Todd,
Tim was 13 when he became Robin. Check out the story line "A Lonely
Place of Dying," in which he first showed up and donned the Robin suit.
I dropped the ROBIN series early on, so I missed the fact that he had a
16th birthday. And if it's One Year Later, yeah, that would make him 17
now.
Wow... I can't believe that they've made the SAME EXACT MISTAKE with
Tim Drake that they made with Dick Grayson!
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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| Posted: 12 April 2006 at 2:56pm | IP Logged | 5
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Can't we have it be OYL and yet not really have that year pass-more like "some time from now"
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Todd Douglas Byrne Robotics Member

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QUOTE:
Tim was 13 when he became Robin. Check out the story line "A Lonely Place of Dying," in which he first showed up and donned the Robin suit. |
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You are indeed correct. Guess I was mentally combining that intro and the first issue of the regular series, establishing his hardship license (so they could introduce the Redbird), which (in most states, anyway) would put him at 15.
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John Webb Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 October 2004 Posts: 1428
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Unless those at DC are thinking to use the Robin persona as a breeding ground for new heroes. maybe by 2010 Tim will become a politically inclined superhero called Westwing or something? Batman can then find himself another protoge.
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Glenn Greenberg Byrne Robotics Member

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I just want Dick back as Batman's partner. >Sigh<
For me, the best parts of INFINITE CRISIS have been the scenes between
Batman and Nightwing.
Speaking of all this, I just hope that with Judd Winick off of BATMAN,
none of the writers who follow him ever again makes reference to Jason
Todd coming back from the dead. I'd like that particular story to be as
over as Winick's tenure.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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| Posted: 12 April 2006 at 3:11pm | IP Logged | 9
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Just clarification-you want him to be alive and it not referred to as "he came back to the dead"-basically forget he ever died in the first place
or you want it ignored that he came back from the dead and keep him dead and buried or at least unmentioned?
Edited by Rob Hewitt on 12 April 2006 at 3:12pm
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Glenn Greenberg Byrne Robotics Member

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The latter.
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Mike Bunge Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 10 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1335
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"One more thing that makes a difference now: there's an entire journalism/gossip industry built around comic books and their readers."
Well, that's no different from movies or TV or other forms of entertainment. The difference is those mediums have large, mainstream audiences who don't pay obsessive attention to that stuff. Imagine if the only people who paid to watch movies were a couple hundred thousand wannabe film students - that's comics today.
Mike
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

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Oh ok. Thanks Glenn. BTW, you are a real nice guy on this forum and very informative. Hopefully one day we can see you (if you want) on a Spider-man or Hulk book soon. Do you read Planet Hulk?
It's funny-I first started collecting Batman more or less when Jason Todd died. I heard about it somehow, and remember seeking those issues out but I couldn't get the ones (at the newstand) where he died for some reason so I didn't know what happened. I had to wait until later when they reprinted. The whole thing was fasinating and weird, because all I knew was Dick Grayson but this wasn't him. And Dick was a guy called Nightwing.
I think having introudced Tim Drake (I was around for that) they should have klept him young, and then they would have had the grown up Grayson, and kid Robin and with a more human Batman, could have had an interesting thing going. Oh well. Instead, Robin has aged and Batman and Nightwing until recently have mostly not got along.
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