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Chuck Wells
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Once, on this very board and during a discussion on some thread (about something), I commented on a remark that JB had made and he responded by comparing me to Kreskin.
It still royally cracks me up whenever I think about it. Funny stuff!
I've gotten to see / meet / interact with the Byrnemeister twice at Dragoncon in Atlanta. I purchased an original She-Hulk page from his graphic novel right out of his hot little hands. I got to see him "produce" a Thing sketch which he auctioned away, and I got to say directly to himself how much I had enjoyed his work for many years.
For all of the reasons that he has revealed for not doing conventions any longer, I really dislike all the haters. JB has been doing some of the best artwork of his career on Doom Patrol, Blood of the Demon, and from what I've seen of the All-New Atom, that book as well.
I drool everytime he posts his latest commission and pick up a Powerball ticket weekly in hopes that I can get one for myself someday.
I read through this multi-page thread and am left with the conclusion that -yes, indeed - many so-called "fans" are simply stupid.
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JD Morrow
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I'm a Marvel guy (and it sucks for me that John Byrne isn't there, because I feel his love for those characters really shines through), so I don't follow his DC stuff. I did pick up his first issue of Action Comics, and back in the day, I bought all of his DC work when he revamped Superman, but I just don't find those characters nearly as interesting as the Marvel characters.
I am seriously tempted to pick up the first issue of The Atom, though. I really liked the art that was recently posted at Newsarama, and it wasn't surprising to see the bitching and whining from the Byrne haters. Things are clearly different with the art. The inker gives it a distinct look from other Byrne projects, and his panel layouts are different this time out. (and much more to my liking!)
It doesn't matter, though, as the bashers are just "programmed" to bash for the sake of bashing now. It's really a pathetic mindset. I understand that people have different tastes in art, and that's fine, but John Byrne preview art has just become a reason to spew venom instead of either skipping what doesn't interest them or at least providing more than a comment that shows them as nothing more than a mindless drone who's trying to "fit in".
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 03 July 2006 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 3
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Odd, that, isn't it, JD? The common mindset on the net is that we're all drones here on the JBF, agreeing with everything and anything that JB has to say. We ban people for nonconformity and slap down anyone with a dissenting opinion. Not true at all, of course, but they can't see the herd mentality in themselves. Just look at any of a number of threads on Newsarama or the DC boards (when such threads existed). Detractors outnumber supporters 2:1 and they shout down anyone who even remotely disagrees with them. That's the truth.
Pot/Kettle anyone?
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John Mietus
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| Posted: 03 July 2006 at 11:55am | IP Logged | 4
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You know, I was just noticing how other boards have a tendency to ban
people for saying that the JBF only bans those who warrant it. Funny, that.
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Robert White
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| Posted: 03 July 2006 at 12:01pm | IP Logged | 5
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There is some truth behind the point that JB fuels the fires. Calling people assholes for ordering questionably artistic books is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. Calling a troll an asshole? Dead on. I honestly don't think the venom unleashed on truly trollish behavior is what gives the impression of a negative aura; I think it's situations like the above that really causes the problems. As always, it's his board, his rules, and I choose to play by the rules and enjoy the largly positive atmosphere here.
Whatever the root problem is between JB and the JB detractors, it's obvious that the current handling of the situation is not working.
As a fan of JB's work, I'm tired of JB not being at Marvel where he belongs, I'm tired of this insipid "war of personalities", I'm tired of a genre that is supposed to be all about fun being inverted and turned into something frustratingly negative. This is why I detest the cultures of comic book stores and conventions.
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JD Morrow
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Odd, that, isn't it, JD? The common mindset on the net is that we're all drones here on the JBF, agreeing with everything and anything that JB has to say. We ban people for nonconformity and slap down anyone with a dissenting opinion. Not true at all, of course, but they can't see the herd mentality in themselves. Just look at any of a number of threads on Newsarama or the DC boards (when such threads existed). Detractors outnumber supporters 2:1 and they shout down anyone who even remotely disagrees with them. That's the truth.
Pot/Kettle anyone?
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Yes, the mindless herd is in full swing in various comic communities, that's for sure. There's no way that I could possibly agree with everything that somebody as opinionated as Mr. Byrne says, but I can certainly be respectful when telling him so, and I doubt that I'd get banned for having a mind of my own. Sure, there may be a few here who go for brownie points with him and support everything he says, but it's no different at Bendis' board (worse, in fact). I've seen bashing going on there toward Byrne, and the hypocrisy is so thick you can choke on it. If you dare to speak against the great BENDIS!, his little mindless drones will attack you without mercy, yet they take shots at this forum all the time.
It was because of all of the nonsense like that, that lead me to finally joining over here. I'm in my 30's, not part of the "hip" and "kewl" generation of "new comic fans", so I'm definitely in better company here.
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Casey Sager
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| Posted: 03 July 2006 at 12:05pm | IP Logged | 7
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What really warrants a ban..aside from the obvious? There are times during some of the debates that I would like to respond, but I feel because of some of my more pitbullish ways on past iterations of JB boards that I might get banned for it. I really enjoy this board..so I end up biting my tongue because I don't want to offend the wrong people.
Casey
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 03 July 2006 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 8
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BTW, welcome JD. Glad to have you aboard!
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Darragh Greene
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| Posted: 03 July 2006 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | 9
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JD Morrow wrote:
I am seriously tempted to pick up the first issue of The
Atom, though. I really liked the art that was recently posted at
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JD, you should really pick up DC's Brave New World anthology, which
came out last week, for an 11-page in medias res introduction to
Gail Simone's and JB's Atom. It only costs one of your American
dollars, y'know!
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Thomas Gerhardt
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| Posted: 03 July 2006 at 12:35pm | IP Logged | 10
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..he was absolutely stunning people left and right when he made
Superman his own...
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In fact, I was pilloried for my work on Superman, and in some quarters
still am.
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Well, I thought it was awesome back then, still think that way now. And it
was together with Miller's DK one of the reasons I bought US comics
again. It was over all very tight writing, I thought.
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That sounds like you're saying I should change my work to suit your
changing tastes.
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You can do whatever you like. It's your life, your career, your decision and
whatever makes you happy, go for it. I'm not a follower, though. I'm not
going simply whereever you go. And as I pointed out, entirely my fault
that I didn't enjoy DEMON and many other things you are doing now. I've
e.g. outgrown the writings of Stephen King, Clive Barker and Neil Gaiman
as well. Still would LIKE you to do something entirely different, but hey,
that's just me.
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I wonder why it is so hard for some Byrne fans to try out his latest DC offerings? I understand that some folks love Marvel and their characters and remain fans of them no matter who is working on them. But if a creator whose work you enjoyed went to another company (JB to DC or a Jeph Loeb to Marvel), wouldn't you give them a chance at their new company if you enjoyed their previous work. I learned long ago that while I loved Spider-Man or Green Lantern, I enjoyed the series more when certain people were doing the book. If the creator were talented enough and you enjoyed their versions of your favorite characters, wouldn't you give them a chance to make a new character become one of your favorites? Just something to ponder when some folks are wondering if the New Atom is worth your time or not.
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Darragh Greene
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| Posted: 03 July 2006 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | 12
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Apropos of something upthread, when one must admonish or correct
someone, especially a friend, it's always best to do it in private, one-
to-one. Correcting people in public is unseemly; indeed, such public
correction heightens tension, polarizes arguments and breeds resentment
and discontent. If at all possible, it might be best to e-mail interlocutors,
at least those whose e-mail addresses are public, who cross lines in
public discussion rather than chastise them before everyone else. Such e-
mailing would be akin to taking someone aside in a public conversation,
addressing whatever the problem is, then returning to public discussion
without anyone having been humiliated.
I know the above notion is not 100% practicable or perfect, but stopping
to think now and then whether this or that issue might be best hammered
out and resolved privately rather than in front of the rest of us might just
save someone an ulcer or coronary one day.
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