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Eric Smearman
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Either one works for me, Stephane. You get my point, though, yes?
Thanks.
Edited by Eric Smearman on 03 March 2007 at 7:10am
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John Byrne
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I wouldn't call them "hated" as much as I would "unappreciated" because of their ability to be consistent and professional. *** The single greatest damage the Image boys did to the industry -- and they did much damage -- was convincing so many fans that a book that ships on time is in some way inferior to a book that ships late. I shake my head at the thought of all these minibrains who seem genuinely to think that a book that comes out a year late actually took a year to produce.
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Andy Smith
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I have three trade paperbacks of Neal's Batman work all in black and white. They were printed about 10-15 years ago and are just great to look at with no color!
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John Byrne
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The great strength of Neal's work shines thru when we consider the fact that most of it was printed in the old letterpress/newsprint days. As much nostalgia as I have for that kind of printing, it was not the best way to display an artist's work. Yet Neal's pages were just too good to be beaten by crappy printing.However -- a bit of thread drift is happening, here. My points, raised above, are not about whether modern artists have "adapted" to the broader palette or the skills of the colorists, but why pages that are so sparse seem to take so long to produce. To run the risk of tooting my own horn again: 
Hour and a half. Now, yes, I am notoriously fast, but much of that speed derives from the way in which I apply myself to the work. As noted before, no TV, no music, no distractions. It's really not all that hard to focus on the page to the exclusion of all else, until the page is finished.
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Wallace Sellars
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Hour and a half.
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That's scary.
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John Byrne
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Jack Kirby could pencil 8 pages a day.
I've heard Joe Kubert can do 6 -- with inks!
THAT'S scary!
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James Hanson
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JB, do you think experience plays a big hand in your speed?
When you draw, you know exactly what to do. I'm an amateur comic artist and the biggest delay for myself is figuring out drawing problems while working on the page itself.
An hour and a half seems exceptional still, even when you consider the experience. In an eight hour day, you could have five pages done at that rate and have a half hour left over. Other than Kirby, who else works at that rate of speed?
EDITED TO ADD: Oh, I guess Kubert does! Still, wouldn't they be exceptions, not the rule? You're referring to the greats!
Edited by James Hanson on 03 March 2007 at 8:59am
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John Byrne
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JB, do you think experience plays a big hand in your speed?*** Nope. Always been a three-pages-a-day guy. Back at the start of my career, that was in large part because the work was pretty sparse (see DOOMSDAY+1), but as I learned my craft, I lost none of my speed. In fact, sometimes I would have bursts of speed that I wish I had all the time. For example, if you look at pencils for JLA94, these were done at the rate of six pages per day!
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Martin Redmond
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John, sorry if this being too nosy of a question about your work process, do you have some grids system set up to make your backgrounds so fast?
Having a book take 3 months to draw with no backgrounds, no characters interacting with one another on the same plane or a few flat point of views leaves me clueless too.
Edited by Martin Redmond on 03 March 2007 at 10:13am
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John Byrne
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John, sorry if this being too nosy into your process, do you have some grids system set up to make your backgrounds so fast? *** I have an architect's machine… 
…which I use to draw a perspective grid in the panels that need one.
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David Carr
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Zaki wrote:
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That's some nice work by Paul Pelletier on those EXILES pages. Very nice. |
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Yes it is! I've been a big fan of Paul's ever since he did a fill-in job on the Hulk back in the 90's during Gary Frank's run. He did some work at CrossGen on "Negation" that absolutely blows my socks off.
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Paulo Pereira
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QUOTE:
Jack Kirby could pencil 8 pages a day.
I've heard Joe Kubert can do 6 -- with inks!
THAT'S scary! |
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Wow, I agree.
Great thread, btw.
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