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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 1
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Neal Adams missed deadlines a plenty...
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But how many of those books actually shipped late?
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You can fire away at me all you want…
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Hairshirts are in aisle 3.
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security

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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | 2
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I think the trouble some artists have is that they work from home. Having a studio or work place away from the distractions of home may help some of these slowpokes. I know I'd rather eat popcicles and watch Judge Joe Brown in the afternoon, rather than do actual work when I'm at home. But if you kick me out of the house I feel more active and I do my job in anticipation of eating brownies and watching Gilmore Girls when I get home. Now I understand everyone isn't like me but I wonder how many comic folks are.
Edited by Paul Greer on 02 March 2007 at 1:00pm
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David Carr Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | 3
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It's the company that decides whether or not to ship a book on time, not the deadline-missing, unprofessional artist.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 4
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It's called "discipline", Paul. I have worked at home,
alone, for 30+ years, and if I count my missed
deadlines on one hand I'll have five fingers to spare.
The artist who have TVs in their studios leave me
scratching my head. "Oh, it's just for company."
Sure, and that worked for Jack Kirby. How many of
us are Jack Kirby. I talked JRjr into getting rid of the
TV, and he told me his output doubled.
One artist I know uses PORNO movies for
"company". Sure -- there's an audio medium…
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Greg Kirkpatrick Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:12pm | IP Logged | 5
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But how many of those books actually shipped late?
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Which brings to point that maybe the real problem isn't that atists are slow or lazy, but that the artists (and editors) fail to realize their limits. Jim Lee knows damn well he can't do a monthly book anymore. So why was he doing All STar Batman and Wildcats plus Infinite Crisis covers and that game he is working on....have some balls and don't be afraid to know your limits and say 'no' if you aren't going to be able to reasonable achieve a deadline. Most of the guys whose books are late are the same old culprits.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 6
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It's the company that decides whether or not to ship
a book on time, not the deadline-missing,
unprofessional artist.
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While I do heap a fair amount of blame upon editors
and publishers, the simple fact of the matter is, you
can't ship what you don't have. And, when books
become returnable if they are not as solicited (three
months in advance!!!), fill-ins are not an option.
Once again, as with virtually everything else
presently wrong with the industry, 99% of the blame
lies squarely at the feet of the Direct Sales Market.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:14pm | IP Logged | 7
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Jim Lee knows damn well he can't do a monthly
book anymore.
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Could he ever? And that is not sarcasm.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:16pm | IP Logged | 8
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Early on , he did.
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Greg Kirkpatrick Byrne Robotics Member

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Could he ever? And that is not sarcasm.
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Hmm. You know, maybe not. I think when he was doing Uncanny (and those first few issues of adjectiveless) he probably did not do morethan 2-3 in a row. I guess it is less glaring because back then the companies were less hesitant to put a fill-in artist in the mix rather than cater to the 'superstar' artist's schedule. Can't vouch for his Alpha Flight output.
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David Carr Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | 10
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John Byrne wrote:
While I do heap a fair amount of blame upon editors
and publishers, the simple fact of the matter is, you
can't ship what you don't have. And, when books
become returnable if they are not as solicited (three
months in advance!!!), fill-ins are not an option. |
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Fill-ins are still an option, but the company has to eat the cost of those returns as a price of doing business with an unprofessional artist.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | 11
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Something that can often be deceptive -- and I do not refer specifically to Lee here, since I have no certain knowledge in his case -- is that an artist can appear to be producing the work on a monthly basis, when in fact s/he is not. It's all about when s/he starts. If the first issue is drawn ahead of schedule, then time can be lost on the second, the third, the fourth, etc, and it may take a while before the speed of the artist is overtaken by the relentless juggernaut of the deadline.This was something I noticed in TV, before it became so common in comics. A show like MOONLIGHTING, we would be told, would take as much as 10 days to produce. The question then would be, how can you possible call this a weekly series? We saw what happened there, and with other "rose growers". Now (and for a while) it's happening to comics.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 March 2007 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 12
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Fill-ins are still an option, but the company has to eat
the cost of those returns as a price of doing
business with an
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In today's marketplace, that's the same thing as not
being an option.
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