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Frank Robert
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My artist puts so much detail into the book we're doing that there is no way she could ever work a monthly schedule -- and she doesn't pretend otherwise. Cause she's professional (despite not being A professional ... yet).
If you can't produce a monthly book, then don't do a monthly book. Simple as that.
Personally, I don't understand why guys like Jim Lee and Frank Quitely can't produce on a monthly schedule. Lee's work is hardly refined -- I don't think he spends much time erasing his scratch lines -- and Quitely isn't detailed ... he mostly just draws outlines; leaves the colorist to fill in the visual gaps.
Now ... JB? His stuff is far tighter and more detailed than those guys, and our man can crank out one or monthly books each month without sacrificing his art. Amazing.
_Frank Robert
Edited by Frank Robert on 02 March 2007 at 1:25pm
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John Byrne
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Now ... JB? His stuff is far tighter and more detailed than those guys, and our man can crank out one or monthly books each month without sacrificing his art. Amazing.*** Kirby did it. Ditko did it. Swan did it. Infantino did it. A couple score artists did it before I ever came along. And, again, the magic word is discipline. The workday is not three hours long, with two hours of that spent on the phone with the TV set on in the corner. This is the best damn job in the world*, but it's a JOB.
*Other than harem-tester.
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Paul Greer
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Porno as company? That is the best. I know there is no way I could get any work done with that playing in the background.
I agree that it comes down to discipline. JB, do you know of any pros that have a work space away from home?
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David Carr
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John Byrne wrote:
In today's marketplace, that's the same thing as not
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I suppose that would depend on the book and/or company. DC solicited a Superman Returns comic with you as the artist, and shipped it with an artist that was (IMO) sub-par. The returns from that book didn't put DC out of business.
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Paul Greer
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David that book was never returnable. DC was able to change the solicitations before the order date arrived.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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I have good hope for Scot Eaton on New Excalibur and Paul Pelletier on Exiles being able to do the book on monthly basis.
I heard they are quick and serious enough to do that.
Which is a good thing given that the writer of those books is Chris Claremont.
And and a good Chris Claremont. (Exiles 90-91, New Excalibur 16-17)
here is some sample of their work, done in time, still quality work:
Eaton:
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 02 March 2007 at 2:20pm
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David Carr
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Well, then the company does have options. They should change the solicitation info before the order date. (Thanks for the info, Paul)
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Ed Love
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There was an interview with Swan about his work and he talks about the
trouble meeting deadlines when he first started and basically someone
told him he was making stuff too detailed, that there were shortcuts he
needed to take to simplify his work and meet the deadlines (and probably
make it easier on the inkers to make theirs). I think some artists could
take some of that advice as their work might look good as fine art, but it
comes across as cluttered when trying to read the thing. The main thrust
of the page or panel is just lost in the detail, a problem I don't have with a
few of the older artists whose work is heavily detailed. Maybe if they
focused on the deadline and telling the story, they might not overwork
the page so much.
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Paul Greer
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David, the company only has options (like the change above) if the artist lets someone in charge know they are not going to be the artist (like JB) or they won't be done in three months. Outside of that they are in a pickle.
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Stephen Hippleheuser
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I've always wondered why a Jim Lee, Bryan Hitch, Quitley, and the rest who can never keep a schedual don't have ghost artist to assist them. You would think Jim could grab a lesser artist, rough in the layouts, put in the most important details, and have the other artist finish it. The work would probably be pretty close to the same in quality and be on time. I know from history that many of the classic artist had a load of assistants to help them. These guys must make a decent dime, hire a guy like me to draw your windows and half million spaceships and add all those little lines for no reason that pass for detail these days. Alex Ross seems to have figured this out with Justice.
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David Carr
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Paul, isn't that what a deadline is? An artist misses the deadline, and that tells the editor "Better get a fast fill-in guy before order time."
Slow artists are only a problem for the companies that continue to employ them.
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Frank Robert
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> These guys must make a decent dime, hire a guy like me to draw your windows and half million spaceships and add all those little lines for no reason that pass for detail these days.
LMAO! How true! That not detailing ... it's just scribbling.
_Frank Robert
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