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Greg Kirkpatrick
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It is said that Crossgen have very few deadline issues. I amnot sure if that is more of a product of them utilizing an office environment or bringing the hammer down (or both).
The Gaijin guys don't work out of the house, they have a studio together. But is that really any better? A studio full of guys who like comics and movies hanging out together. Not like any of the guys thee are blazing a trail.
Discipline. You have it you can do fine at home or at an office.
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Paul Greer
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"Slow artists are only a problem for the companies that continue to employ them."
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David I couldn't agree more. But when the head of one company is a slow artist, I don't think he'll be lighting the fire under anyone's ass.
I don't know what DC's excuse is.
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Andrew Hess
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Any of you work in publishing? Or any similar deadline driven profession?
I'm an art director at a book producer. We make books for book
publishers. Our job is to make books for the publishers, who then sell the
books to book stores.
Our bottom line is hitting our ship date: we cannot move that date, and
we do everything we can to make that date. Missing our ship date is not
an option.
When I hire an artist I tell them going in that the most important thing is
the deadline; and if I haven't used them before or I've heard that they are
"deadline challenged," then I build that into the schedule.
I've had artists who have flaked out on me, and missed deadlines or
turned in sub-par work. Then I panic, or hire someone to finish the work,
or whatever. But the job gets done and the books get published and
shipped on time.
And I don't use those artists again.
But none of this is an option for today's comic companies, whose
publishing is based on the modern artists who have found they can get
away with not hitting deadlines and having the companies cover for them,
and whose money is based on providing a particular artist (not a
particular character) to the comics stores.
I've mentioned the current comic publishing standards to my boss, about
missing monthly deadlines and the publishers covering for it. He looked
at me like I was crazy. "If they can't do a monthly book, don't hire them to
do it!"
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Andrew Hess
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I just mentioned this thread to a couple of other art directors here.
We had a good laugh.
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David Carr
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Paul Greer wrote:
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And they just announced a Frank Miller/Neal Adams Batman book. They might as well call it "Batman: This Book Will Ship Late".
Edited by David Carr on 02 March 2007 at 2:29pm
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Michael Retour
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I have a great deal of respect for JB's work ethic. I also can see his points as valid. I wonder about artists like Mike Kaluta, Charles Vess and others -- who also have a work ethic and turn out some gorgeous, beautiful stuff. Could they do a monthly? I don't know. They'd probably have to have six months of issues "in the can" to do it. Mark Schultz is another -- how often did Xenozoic Tales appear? Yearly? Still, it was gorgeous work and not really pages of pin-ups either. Steve Rude is another artist like this.
May I am talking apples and oranges?
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Typo in precedent post corrected. It's Scot Eaton who draw New Excalibur (the pages i posted are from issue 17) and Paul Pelletier who is on Exiles.
I am very confident that Eaton will be able to hit the deadlines and still keep the same quality.
Pelletier for what i understand is or will be too artist on Fantastic Four. So if i understand well he will be artist on both Exiles and Fantastic Four. These days, there're not so many artists out of JB who seem able to work on two books and still be in time for the deadlines. I think Paul Pelletier may very well be one of them. It's still a little soon to say, but i have good hope.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 02 March 2007 at 2:29pm
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Greg Kirkpatrick
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Michael- I think the issue at hand is these artists causing books to ship late (or not at all). Guys you mentioned aren't missing deadlines. They aren't trying to fool themselves into thinking their work is gonna come out at a normal pace. A good example of this done right is DC's Justice. Everyone involved knew that this book could not be monthly. No way could the team make that deadline. So you know what, they said 'Let's make it bi-monthly' and it has shipped on time every issue and,if you look at the weekly pull list thread when Justice comes out; people rave about it shipping on schedule each time. I think comic fans just want their books when we were told they'd be there.
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David Carr
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So, which artists are the ones staying out until 3am partying every night, and which ones are just slow?
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Paul Greer
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David, go to any of the big cons and you'll find that answer out.
Unless you yourself go to bed early.
Edited by Paul Greer on 02 March 2007 at 2:40pm
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David Carr
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I have been to exactly one con in my life, and was so busy pimping my own wares, I didn't notice any zombie-like artists.
I did get to meet Martin Nodell, though. That was neat.
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Patrick Drury
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David, go to any of the big cons and you'll find that answer out.
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I don't think an artist's behavior at a con is necesarilly indicative of his behavior the rest of the time. Lots of artist use cons as a chance to hang out with fellow pros that they don't see very often and for networking.
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