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Scott Nickel
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So how many books (besides Ultimates and All-Star Batman) are late each month? Anyone have an accurate figure? And not just a week or so late...a month late? Two months? Just how many books are we talking about when we're slamming "all" artists for having poor work habits?
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Bill Collins
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Paul,love the avatar!
Suggested response...`Yeah ar know`
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Stéphane Garrelie
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hmmm....Astonishing X-Men... Civil War... Civil War tie-ins delayed... making most of Marvel books late...
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Darren De Vouge
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I want to be a harem tester.
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Mike Sweeney
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Sigh. I could use some of that discipline. In my day job I have the
comfort of absolute deadlines.
Seats are sold as much as a year in advance (for season subscribers.) So
you go into a design, or a build, knowing that no matter what happens
there will be warm bodies in those seats on that opening night and they
expect to see something in front of them. You pull all-nighters, you pull
favors, you come up with spectacular improvisations or brutal
simplifications; whatever gets that scenery, costume, choreography, or
whatever on that stage at 8:00 PM that Friday
I've been there when half the set went into the dumpster on thursday
because it wasn't working and there wasn't time to fix it. I've been there
when we gambled with replacing an actor one week out when the
previous one just couldn't get off book. And I've been there where tech
week is long and hard but the milestones pass properly and everything
keeps clicking along on schedule. Which doesn't happen quite as often as
we'd like!
Meanwhile on my personal projects I keep tinkering for years, almost
never finishing anything. And lousy work habits, too.
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Brian Mays
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JB wrote:
Bottom-ish line here, as I have said on many an occasion, the best bet is always to treat the job as a job, and do it the most efficient way. If this means drawing incredibly elaborate pages and hitting the deadline, fine. If not, time to consider a new game plan ---- possibly a new career!
Completely agree! I teach graphic design students at the university level as my second job and we preach that you live and die by the deadline. I've run into students like the artists you mention (lots of detail, but miss the deadline). I preach at them to not plan something that will take them 3 weeks to produce if they only have 1 week to produce it on. The deadline doesn't have to be their enemy.
Edited by Brian Mays on 02 March 2007 at 4:41pm
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Pedro Bouça
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Since we are talking slow artists, I think we have a new champion.
Some of you guys might remember when Travis Charest was hired by french
publisher Humanoids to do a Metabaron comic album series (comic albuns
being the very large HC french editions, about 46 pages on the
average). Those book are usually VERY high quality and produced in
exceedingly generous deadlines, with the average european artist taking
an year or so to do one (pencils, inks and colors).
It was a few years ago. Don't remember how many, but easily more than five!
On an interview with the series writer Alexandro Jodorowsky I just
read, he says that Charest was out of the series (croatian artist Zoran
Janjetov is the replacement), because in all that time he drew just 20
or so pages!
20 pages in 5 years? This must surely be a world record!
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Here is how the world at the center of this mission of the Exiles looks like, this is the world where Sue is Madame Hydra:
The narrator is psylocke.
Isn't this great art? And isn't it great Claremont too?
I really like Paul Pelletier's work on this book.
And this quality of work for what i understand he is able to do monthly and on two books. Exiles and Fantastic Four. Of course we will see in the futur months if he will be abble to do so, but aparently here is an artist able to produce quality art for two books each month.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 02 March 2007 at 5:11pm
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Mike Norris
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I want to be a harem tester.
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Can you meet the deadline?
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Corey Johnson
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You'd think being paid by the page would be enough motivation to get some of these artists on schedule!
Maybe M***** and DC and putting some of these guys on salary or something.
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Troy Nunis
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it's been a standard (since the first story arc, actually) in Exiles for the Shock to be "Why, in this world So-n-So is a villain, not a hero!" -- I wonder if that's now a played out concept with half of the Heroes in the "real" marvel universe now Super-villains. alas - off the track, still - lovely work by Pelletier who is one of the few fast enough to certainly do more than 12 issues a year - donno about 24 tho' -- certainly hope he sticks with Exiles over FF if 24 is out of his grasp.
Edited by Troy Nunis on 02 March 2007 at 5:19pm
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Martin Redmond
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"I am SUSAN STORM! She who must be obeyed! I've become an evil sex crazed sadistic dominatrix becuz Chris Claremont is writing meh1!!1!!"
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