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Pedro Bouça
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"OT: Does Nightcrawler have a daughter these days?"
Again: Exiles is a title involving characters from ther dimensions. She is daughter of a paralel universe Nightcrawler.
(Geez, now I see why DC eliminated the Multiverse.)
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Randy: Originaly Nocturne (Talia Josephine Wagner) was a member of the Exiles. She is from another dimension and is the daughter of alternates Nightcrawler and Scarlet Witch (yep, surprising isn't it?). These days she is in the regular marvel universe and is a member of New Excalibur.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 02 March 2007 at 6:33pm
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Michael Kane
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Is jim lee a millionaire?
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John Byrne
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Isn't there as much as needed background and
details in this page too?
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It's not about backgrounds and details, it's about
weight. Many artist today depend mostly or
even entirely on the colorist to anchor the images on
the page. Look at this page by Neal Adams:
The color enhances the page, but the
weight of the characters would be there even
were the page in black and white. It's all in the line
weight and the careful spotting of blacks.
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Steve Horton
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I'm on the CBIA retailer forum, and one thing that most retailers there can agree on is that late books are bad. I can't copy-paste or provide links cause it's a private forum, but some retailers will cut orders for any book that becomes order-adjustable or returnable due to lateness. No exceptions.
Especially egregious are huge event books that have newspapers, TV media, and so on involved ... and then ship late. Blown opportunity after blown opportunity. Even worse are the lame-ass excuses, as nobody seems to want to take responsibility when it does happen.
The artist on my book is incredibly detailed (check the link below) and has a full time day job, and I have other freelance writing work, yet we started early enough and built up enough lead time that we're putting our book out monthly. Dave does about a page every other day, a page a day when it's crunch time. (That's pencils and inks. Tones are done by another guy and take another day.) Now, it's a five issue limited, so we can do that.
I think the industry should experiment more with the Hellboy model of "a series of limited series" with a break in between. If Strongarm was an ongoing monthly, eventually it would catch up with us and we would ship late, which would kill our book. Unacceptable to us. So we're doing five issues, then we'll evaluate, and hopefully come back and do five more in a few months. All on time.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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JB: Yes. That would be very interesting to have a black and white edition of Neal Adams work on Batman.
Here are the pencils of the Paul Pelletier pages for Exiles:
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Darren De Vouge
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And a better scan of the third page of New Excalibur 17:
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Wow! Bona-fide thought balloons. Nice to see them again.
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Frank Robert
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If anyone can scan the image from (I think) JB's Superman No. 1 that sees Superman entering the dark, secret lab ... that'd be great. That's some REAL detail. All those pipes and wires with all that mass and tone ... unbelievable.
_Frank Robert
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Jeff Gillmer
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Follow up question for JB:
With all this talk about late artists, what happens to the writer when the artist is late? Does the writer get paid once the script is turned in, or after publishing, or part before and part after?
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Scott Nickel
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It's not about backgrounds and details, it's about
weight. Many artist today depend mostly or
even entirely on the colorist to anchor the images on
the page.
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Every generation of artists does things differently. For better or worse, today’s comics reflect a currently popular art style, and coloring is a big part of it. Who knows how artists of the past, given today’s tools and improved presses and paper, would have created comics?
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Michael Horwitz
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