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Gerry Turnbull
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would you be willing to give it another try JB?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 26 July 2007 at 3:27pm | IP Logged | 2
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…would you be willing to give it another try JB?
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XHY? Under the right circumstances, sure.
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Brian Hunt
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I'm often surprised by fan reactions whenever pro's say something nice about each other. It's almost as if Fans expect there to be hostility. Why? This has never made sense to me. It's almost like rap music. People are almost expected to fued in order to be successful. Disliking another pro will not make your own work any better. Fans are the only people who seem to think that they can be cool because of who they don't like vs. who they do. I remember growing up and having friends pick either Michael Jackson or Prince, but they couldn't be fans of both. The logic escapes me. Most of these guys are fans of each other's work to some capacity. It's more shocking when they aren't.
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Stephen Sadowski
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I, too, think JB could have success with Exiles -- the fans of that
book expect a new direction frequently and embrace team line-up changes
as well as stories that push the limits. Fans of JB's X-Men, Avengers,
Alpha Flight and FF work would also get regular teases as JB
interchanged the team with faces of "old friends". Time-lines and
continuity are out the window --- it is a dream JB assignment.
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See, thats what <I> thought...JB has already been very vocal about how much he cant stand where current continuity of most of Marvels characters are...so why not give him a book/setting where continuity is not an issue...He could jump around and do ANYTHING with ANYONE. Through it all SOMEHOW it'd still be considered 'in continuity'.
WW2 reality? Check! Bucky as still long dead..? CHECK! He could do weird versions of Defenders and Guardians..anything...as well as make up a whole new batch ofcharacters to tag along..he could even kill of personal 'current versions' in some other reality..
Most of all, I think JB would have a great place to make all sorts of commentary from that platform. His alternate future X-Men story (with Claremont) kind of got so much of the reality hopping trend started. I think it'd be a kick ass and wholly appropriate 'John Byrne/ Marvel' book.
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James Wright
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I'd like to see JB do Iron Man (first and foremost), and of the choices listed, Dr. Strange is easily my first preference, but I would love to see Invaders too.
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Mark Griffin
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I recall a while back, JB asked a question similar to..."If you could redesign Rita from Doom Patrol, what would you do?". A few month later "Doom Patrol by John Byrne" is announced.
So is this a loaded question like that was? Is this more than just an innocent curiosity JB?
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John Byrne
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Is this more than just an innocent curiosity JB?
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No.
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Andrew Kneath
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Hm, this might complicate JB doing The Invaders...
http://www.newsarama.com/Comic-Con_07/Marvel/TheTwelve.html
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George Edwards
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JB- I really liked the Robbins/Springer Invaders era. I sure hope to see you work on that title!
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Bill Dowling
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Gerry Turnbull wrote:
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I agree with Gerry. It really does sound to me from reading that thread that Millar's praise of JB (and the subsequent defense of JB from the board members there) is genuine.
On an unrelated note, I had long ago noticed that people in the UK say "different to" instead of "different from" like we say in the US. About a year ago, I was watching an episode of "My Hero" and Thermoman corrects Janet, telling her that the proper form is "different from." Is "different from" considered correct in the UK, despite popular usage being "different to?" Or is "My Hero" just not a very good source for grammar tips? Or both?
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Michael Heide
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Hello, everybody. Longtime lurker, firsttime poster.
I'm not the average John Byrne fan. I loved his X-Men, Fantastic Four and Action Comics, liked Wonder Woman and Genesis enough to buy them regularly, but for the most time, I just wasn't interested in the characters he was working on and/or didn't have enough money to buy everything I would have liked to. Doom Patrol and the Demon looked nice, but at a time when I was dropping books off my pull list left and right, I just couldn't spend the extra 2.50 a month (or 2.99, or whatever the price tag was) for each book.
But maybe because I'm not the average John Byrne fan, I thought maybe I should join this debate, adding my two cents, as objectively and honestly as possible. Because I'd love to see him back at Marvel. Diversity is what we need in the comic books right now. But I don't want this to go all pear-shaped. Because the last thing we need right now is yet another book cancelled after 12 or 18 issues.
So about the titles mentioned:
Dr. Strange - It wouldn't work. He is too tied up with the "New Avengers" at the moment. While I don't mind that, I can understand if you do. And that's a valid opinion. Outside of the Defenders, he's never been what you would call a team player. But perhaps that's exactly why I enjoy this development. It won't be forever anyway. Nevertheless, a John Byrne Dr. Strange series right now could never be in official continuity. And outside of continuity, I can't see this book appealing to too many readers.
Invaders - I'd buy it. But there are several factors speaking against it. First of all, the last Invaders book stank to high heavens. And it didn't sell very well because of that. I think the Invaders need a bit of time to wear that stench off.
The second problem is the aforementioned Straczynski book. While it is not a period piece, it features Golden Age Timely heroes prominently. If we got an Invaders book on top of that, one of the books would be redundant. After all the publicity they gave Straczynski's book at San Diego, it's obvious which book would suffer from that. And the third factor is the current Captain America book. It doesn't matter what you think of all the "Bucky returning" and "Cap being shot by Sharon Carter" stuff, you can't deny that it is a book that has a loyal fan following and huge buzz thanks to Civil War and the media coverage of Steve Rogers' death, be that temporary or not. So if you did an Invaders book right now, you would have to tread very carefully around Ed Brubaker's toes. At this point, you would be the newcomer, paradox as it might seem. So whenever there's a discussion about which writer's direction to follow, you might want to prepare for getting the short end of the stick. In the current state of Marvel, the Invaders would be a minefield.
Nick Fury - Same here. Why I don't have a doubt that it would rock, Marvel seems to already have very specific plans for the character. If anything, I'd wait until this whole Skrull-thing is over and look at where the character ends up before even thinking about writing an in-continuity SHIELD series. Unless you'd want to use Tony Stark as the director, which I somehow doubt.
Guardians of the Galaxy - Perhaps the best fit right now. Completely free from current Marvel continuity, this would be your own sandbox to play in. Do whatever you want to whichever you want. You could have huge subplots going for years without having to shoehorn the next big crossover in somehow. The only problem: Being free from current Marvel continuity is a double-edged sword. If, say, Thor appeared in New Avengers, both books tend to profit from that because fans of one book might check the other one out. Without any ties to the mainstream Marvel universe, you don't have that synergy, which might harm you in the long run (see Spider-Girl). And since you said that you don't want to do more than one monthly book (plus comissions), creating a whole franchise around the Guardians is out of the question. Anyway. If you can solve the problem of constantly marketing this book to new readers, this might be the best fit.
Ka-Zar in NY - You might prove me wrong in the long run, but I never felt that the "fish out of water" routine works for more than one storyline. I understand your point completely, but I'm trying to look at this situation as the average Marvel reader of 2007 (which I am not, but I'm closer to that than some of the others here obviously). If I open a Ka-Zar book by John Byrne, I expect huge Dinosaurs. Not Central Park. Of course it would be interesting to see Ka-Zar and Zabu in Manhattan, I just can't see it as a long-term backdrop for the characters. But that's just me.
Besides, having Ka-Zar in New York might mean having to deal with the several different "Avengers" teams, the post-One More Day version of Spider-Man and Ororo with husband in the Fantastic Four. Why open that can of worms when you don't have to?
Black Panther - Agree with the current direction or not (I don't), but this book is currently a gateway drug for African-American readers into comic books. Changing the current direction might jeopardize that, good intentions or not. It's a gamble I wouldn't make. You'd only come out of this looking bad, regardless of what you do.
Black Fox - To be honest, I first thought of the super-villain with the same name. The geriatric cat burglar. And I'd love a book about him. A heist comic in the Marvel universe, very tongue in cheek and all.
But I'm guessing you're thinking of the Lost Generation character. It might be a good idea, but I'm thinking you're narrowing down the readership with a character like that. That I thought of the other guy with the same name implies that your Black Fox just isn't that known. If you returned to Marvel, you'd need something that would blow readers away. The best case scenario would be a resurrected Captain America, but that's not very likely. To be brutally honest, I see no way you could create enough interest in the character before the publisher pulls the plug.
My two cents. No offense intended.
Edited by Michael Heide on 27 July 2007 at 8:09am
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Danton Lopes
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I think that I agree with at least 98% of whatever Michael Heide wrote. Including the Guardians of the Galaxy being my already said option by the same reason.
In fact I can't find my 2% of disagreement. ;)
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