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Jeff Gillmer
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Posted: 07 April 2010 at 10:09pm | IP Logged | 1  

Mike, I haven't tried the netti pot yet.  I've heard good things about it though.  Hopefully we'll get some rain around here tomorrow night and that will help wash most of the creeping yellow crud out of the trees and off the cars (and everything else!).

Monte, I thought it was evident I was talking about the Legislative and Executive branches of government.  If not, I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough.

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Jodi,

As my parting shot before leaving for a couple of days, I'll take a swing at your question. (I don't consider myself part of the right, but it looks like I'm standing on your righthand side.)

As a good Canadian, I have no objection to socialized medicine. As I've said before, there should be a social safety net to catch the less fortunate, and a floor that no one falls below.

From my Canadian experience, to the consumer socialized medicine has no "value" because it is "free". Thus, we have instances of over-use of the system because there was no penalty for doing so. Because government couldn't control the demand side, it elected to control costs on the supply side, lowering doctor reimbursements, restricting the variety of services available (my earlier five-year hip story) and increasing waiting lists for specialists. The policy of universality created a ceiling that you couldn't rise above.

My paradigm would be a two-tier system, with no cost basic services for those without means, and cadillac services for those who wish to pay extra. I would put the system under the control of NGOs, non-profits and cooperatives that were not aligned with the government so that medical services would not be at the whim of electoral politics and be used to buy votes.

My personal objection to the recent Healthcare Act was that it did not address the issues related to costs. Rather, it mandated that 30 million people now must get health insurance, with many of those individuals having their insurance purchase subsidized by the government. But the cost drivers pushing up the price of insurance still remain. In short order, we will have people complaining about the high cost of the health insurance that they've now been forced to buy.

My preference would have been to attack the cost side first. Slow the rise or even reduce the cost for services would in turn lower the cost of insurance, making it more affordable to individuals. And then, if we wished to subsidize insurance coverage for the less fortunate, the outlay to the government would be cheaper.

Of course, there are those who might read this and decide that I "error on the side of compassion." (Sorry, couldn't resist, but it works so well to both tease you and deprecate me!)


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Jodi Moisan
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Here is one of the anti health care guys, now remember to listen to where he lives LOL
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Oh and remember the big story about the guy dressed as a pimp and went into ACORN offices. Well guess what.

Watch the video at the bottom my mouth actually fell open and said "Are you fucking kidding me?????"

For those that don't like clinking on links

The edited video released by O'Keefe also appears to show an ACORN employee advising him on how to smuggle underage girls into the United States. O'Keefe is heard off-camera saying, "What things do you need from me in terms of the shipment information," and the employee replies, "It's better if it's in Tijuana ... because I have a lot of contacts in Tijuana." O'Keefe then goes on to say, "There's twelve of them. ... Twelve girls, they're like 13 to 15 years old."

But as Maddow pointed out, in the previously unreleased portion of the video, the employee continues asking very detailed questions about O'Keefe's phone number and the exact time and location of the girls' arrival. "What's this ACORN guy going to do with all that information?" Maddow wondered. "Oh, he calls the police and reports what they've told him is going to be a crime."

According to Jerry Brown's report, "Immediately after the couple left, Vera telephoned his cousin, Detective Alejandro Hernandez, at the National City Police Department... [and said] that a self-admitted prostitute had been to the office and was discussing human smuggling."

"For that he ended up getting fired," Maddow noted wryly.


Wait isn't this the story Fox news crammed down the mouths of their followers? Yep, but will they demand better from Fox? nope, they will just gobble up more of the lies.




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I haven't tried the netti pot yet.  I've heard good things about it though.

The netti pot is an amazing invention and I highly recommend it.  As a longtime lurker on this thread who has suffered tremendously with allergies in the past, may I offer some advice?  Go to your local farmer's market and buy local honey made on a local farm by local bees.  I have a tablespoon everyday on my oatmeal -- rather than sugar.  Aside from being better for you than sugar, local honey will help your body adjust to and tolerate the pollens blowing around in the air right now. 

I started this a year ago (aside from supplementing vitamin D) and this year, I've not suffered from allergies AT ALL.  Not a runny nose, not a leaky eye -- NOTHING compared to the past. 

I know with all this talk of health care it's easy to forget that there are natural remedies, cures and preventatives out there -- but there are.  Sure, we put a lot of pressure on our primary care physicians, but few people eat well and supplement nutrients correctly.  You don't HAVE to be sick.  If you eat well and regularly exercise, your chances of becoming sick diminish significantly.

It's your body -- take care of it.  That's the best way to show the government...

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What???  Someone actually edited a video before releasing it?  Well knock me over with a feather!  I was wonder what all those people in the newsroom were doing in those little glass boxes watching the same piece of video over and over...

And anyone from MSNBC complaining about video editing should remember this. (Cropped video showing a gun at a anti Obama rally, MSNBC hosts talking about racism, but the person with the gun was black).

Did ya enjoy the latest Michael Moore epic?  Guess what?  It was edited too!  Oooooohhhh...scary!

As for the person that got fired, wasn't it ACORN that fired him?  Maybe if there was nothing done wrong, he wouldn't have been fired.

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ACORN is a Soros operation.
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Tom, I've heard many good things about honey; tragically, I'm allergic
to it. Good tip for Jeff, though!

The ACORN debacle is what I referenced a few days ago - in each
area where that fraud played that stunt, criminal investigations were
brought against ACORN, and to date, each investigation has turned
out that the videos were fraud and ACORN was innocent.

Too late now, though. Damage is done, and ACORN, a group
dedicated to helping poor people register to vote and file taxes?
They've gone out of business.

Which is good for Rebuplicans, as the urban poor tend to vote
Democratic.

Mission accomplished!

In a just and fair world, O'Kieef, Brietbart and Hannity would all be
tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail. Instead, for evil
services to their lord, they very well could get cabinet positions in the
next Republican President's office.

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Posted: 08 April 2010 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | 9  

Awwww look at Jeff, defending those that continue to lie to him. LOL
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Posted: 08 April 2010 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | 10  

Remember when Dan Rather ran a story that wasn't verified?

Yet Hannity keeps his job.

Just saying... remember: both sides are bad so vote Republican.

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Posted: 08 April 2010 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | 11  

Defending what?  Just pointing out that every story is edited in one way or another.  That's just the way it is.
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Mike wrote "Too late now, though. Damage is done, and ACORN, a group 
dedicated to helping poor people register to vote and file taxes? 
They've gone out of business."

Well, no... Like every other political group, they were about furthering their own agenda, by means they thought/felt were necessary. Any good produced [like almost any other group] was an occasional by-product. 


[in the interests of full disclosure, I had a dealing of the periphery with them years ago; left a bad taste in my mouth]
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