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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 July 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2710
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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 7:29am | IP Logged | 1
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I don't often leap on the bash Fox News bandwagon, but this is an easy one to join: the under-cover ACORN videos were bile. And it wasn't just Hannity; clips ran on their hard news programs too.Call me a grumpy old man, but journalism isn't about lying and pretending you are something you are not. And that nonsense detracts from the real stories of voter registration fraud, actual conflict-of- interest crimes that have resulted in convictions. As for Hannity, I watched his show a few times with Alan Colmes and it wasn't bad. I've tuned into his solo show and I find it unmatchable. I'm not against partisanship, but unrestrained the man makes my skin crawl. I will say one thing in his defense: unlike Dan Rather, Hannity does not claim to be a journalist. He takes pride in saying that he isn't one, actually. Thus, any "news" that Hannity breaks should be buyer beware. Dan Rather, him I hold to a higher standard. I feel sorry for him, to tell the truth. He so badly wanted that one last big story. There may have been malice toward Bush, but there was more personal vanity in play than anything else. What sobers me to the whole affair is 20 years earlier, with no cable news like we have today and no Internet, that lie could have turned an election.
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 7:34am | IP Logged | 2
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All news media organs have a slant. It has always been that way. The idea of the media being the watchdog of democracy is baloney.
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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 7:43am | IP Logged | 3
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Mike,Will post more detailed Reagan thoughts when I get home, but a quick observation I wanted to share. Unlike the Nixon Library which is exhibit intensive (or at least it was when I visited a few years back) the Reagan Library is more spectacle. Air Force One is impressive. That is worth the trip alone. But there is little in terms of policy and hard history. I expected more meat on the bones. Presuming the Nixon Library hasn't changed, I should be able to do more history teaching there.
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Rich Rice Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | 4
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Wow. I'm looking forward to your spin on how the West Virginia mine disaster was free enterprise in action. Let's look at the facts... the guy is sitting in his office and some moron off the street comes in spinning this fantastic tale of prostitution and human trafficing. He has no idea who this guy is or how believable this guy's story is. So he runs with the situation and lets the guy talk. Did he call the police square away? No. Is that reasonable. Why would he bother dialing 911 because some kook came in with an unverifiable story? Particularly when he has a relative working on the police force, dealing with crimes of that nature? He did what any normal person would do. "Hey Joe, I got this nut coming in my office today. I don't know if I should be worried or write it off as a nut bag pulling my chain. What do you think?"
The fact is, there is no mitigating element behind him calling his cousin or contacting the police days later. Both actions belie the allegation, spin, lie by Fox news that was ASSISTING THE PIMP TO COMMIT A CRIME. The fact is, the footage of the black woman was used, edited in a way, that it she was ASSISTING THE PROSTITUTE to commit a crime, when if fact she was offering moral support that the woman could find housing for herself and her child.
The FACT is, while the footage aired on FOX was edited clips and the footage aired on Maddow's show was edited clips, the footage the District Attorney received was the footage in its entirety. And based on the full footage, his conclusion is exactly the opposite of the construction FOX News ran for MONTHS, the implication that ACORN workers had assisted in criminal activity. Not that they had "used bad judgment." Assisted criminal activity. And they did this knowing footage hit the floor that would refute the allegation. Shameful.
And here I sit wishing George Bush had called the police immediately after he got word a month before 9-11 that something was up...
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 28 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 31811
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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 12:37pm | IP Logged | 5
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write it off as a nut bag pulling my chain ***************** Did you just call this guy a scrotum?
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 30 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1920
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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | 6
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Rich Rice: 10 April 2010 at 2:20am "-And then, the Acorn worker immediately CONTACTS THE POLICE."
10 April 2010 at 2:34pm "Did he call the police square away? No. Is that reasonable. Why would he bother dialing 911 because some kook came in with an unverifiable story?" So, the lesson here is that after reading or hearing only Maddow's biased report, Mr. Rice thinks that ACORN immediately called the police. After reading the whole report, Mr. Rice now says that it's OK for ACORN to have waited a bit before calling the police. Isn't it amazing how things change when injected with facts? Every single news story, be it print or broadcast, has a point-of-view and a story to tell. Did ACORN commit a crime by telling O'Keefe ways to skirt or even break the law? That depends. O'Keefe never had any intention of breaking the law, so it can be argued that any advice given by ACORN was just advice, and legal to give. Not ethical, but legal. On the other hand, and maybe one of our fine lawyers can help out here, but if someone actually did follow ACORN's advice and set up a house of prostitution with underaged illegal aliens, can they be charged as an accomplice before the fact?
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 3:51pm | IP Logged | 7
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Remember a couple of pages ago when I asked Jeff to lay off ACORN? I was just speaking to you guys from the future.It's awesome in the future! The food is amazing! I'll be back, I have some sporting events I need to see a bookie about...
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 4:03pm | IP Logged | 8
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Well what do you think of this?
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | 9
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Mike, maybe you should include Jodi as well, since she's the one that brought up Maddow's report about ACORN. My discussion isn't about weather ACORN should exist or not, but rather the outcry of "biased news reporting" by using biased news reporting as a source. Bet it all on the Devil Rays winning the World Series 4-1.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | 10
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Aha! So you agree with all of the rest of us, as well as the American legal system, that ACORN is not deserving to be destroyed by false alligations, and instead, are just making an observation, from your insider point of view, about yellow journalism? If so, then my appologies! I knew you were a good guy, Jeff!
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | 11
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Obama is holding prisoners there as well. What do you think of that?
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | 12
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Pretty much yep, but I don't agree on the false alligations part. We can look and see how ACORN itself didn't handle the situation well. From the outset they claimed that the first report was a falsehood, but there was no denying what was said on video. Then the story became that it was a "one time only" thing. Well more videos began showing up from different cities. From there, it all just snowballed. For every denial, there was more proof showing up. Instead of owning the problem, ACORN tried to shoot the messenger. And the main messenger, Sean Hannity. Hannity, which even I can't understand the appeal, dug his feet into the story and rode it like a horse. The more the story played out, the more people saw it. Did Hannity hype it up? Damn right he did. He saw the ratings possiblilities, as well as an ability to put a dent into the democrats and Obama. Like it or not, a free press is a business. Gotta pay for the paper, ink, bandwidth and transmission equipment somehow. Finally the New York Times recognizes it's own lacking in the coverage of ACORN. If ACORN management would have said from the very beginning "yes there are problems and we will work to fix them", then it would have been a total no story. As for the yellow journalism, that's why I watch and read a variety of sources for news coverage. But I'm a news junkie.
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