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Kevin Brown
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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | 1  

Well what do you think of this?

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It just pretty much verifies and solidifies what a good number of people have thought.

And people STILL think Bush was such a good president?  Still???  Seriously???  {insert face/palm pic here}

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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 9:23pm | IP Logged | 2  

Okay, what exactly is ACORN? And, for that matter, what's Fanny May (Mae?) or whatever? I hear these terms all the time but I'm Canadian, and I have no idea what kind of organizations they are or what they're for, just that some people are against them and some people are for them. 


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Dumb is eternal.



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Posted: 10 April 2010 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | 4  

From their web page, I'm assuming it's their mission statement...
"ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families, working together for social justice and stronger communities."

Sounds great, but unfortunately as the organization grew, many feel that it became more of a Political Action Committee than what it was formed to be.  President Obama was very active with ACORN in his days as a Community Organizer.

Fannie May and Freddie Mac are both programs to assist in low income people in the purchase of a home.  Both are private organizations that work with the federal government (and possible state, but I'm not sure) to help find funding for people.

Again, it sounds great but both organizations were insturmental in helping the housing market crash.  Not exclusively, but by helping people get loans they couldn't afford for property that was overpriced was one of the major contributors to the problem.

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Posted: 11 April 2010 at 12:39am | IP Logged | 5  

Jeff - thanks. That's puts a few things into perspective for me now, I keep hearing all those words get tossed around like everyone knows what they mean (which I suppose if you live in America you do, but I just get American TV so...) but they never really get explained or given context. 

I appreciate the response!
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Erm, I wouldn't say that most Americans have any idea what those
things are either, really.

Policy wonks know about Freddy and Fannie mainly because of the
way they run both sides of congress like a puppeteer for years, all
while making insane profits.

Mainly, they both got traction in the last year because they were
scapegoats (with basically black faces) that people could balme the
economic crisis on.

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Posted: 11 April 2010 at 5:53am | IP Logged | 7  

Don't like what the constitution says?

here is the actual 14th amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


Just doesn't seem fuzzy to me. Hell they are rewriting the bible to make Jesus seem more conservative, let's just let them have a go, at the silly constitution while they are at it.


Oh and read the comments at the bottom, awwww I get such a warm fuzzy feeling.


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Posted: 11 April 2010 at 11:59am | IP Logged | 8  

Mainly, they both got traction in the last year because they were 
scapegoats (with basically black faces) that people could balme the 
economic crisis on.

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That's my impression as well. "Let's blame the poor people programs for the economic crisis! Not the white rich people who, you know, control all the money!"

The class and racial divides in the U.S. are pretty easy to see, aren't they? I'm not saying they don't exist elsewhere, it's just... they aren't bandied about the same way they are in America. You folks really enjoy a good "Us vs. Them" scenario, don't you?

edited to add - I think that's why George W was so popular with his whole "with us or against us" thing, because everything seems to be (in some cases quite literally) black and white in America. The rest of the world has problems, but for the most part it's only the nations that aren't peaceful that adopt "us or them" attitudes. The people who want real peace seem to be a little more diplomatic than that. 


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Posted: 11 April 2010 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 9  

Well... yes, but let's hope we can rise above it. The leading
candidates for Republicans in 2012 right now are the team of Palin
and Bachman, who specialize in that crap.

Witty Democrats were pushing for a Palin/Bachman ticket because it
seemed not only easy to beat, but fun, too - the two, combined are,
somehow, about half as smart as W Bush, and every word out of their
filthy mouths is either an easily provable lie, or a hillarios talking
point win for the left....

But.... be carefull what you wish for, right? Who ever thought we'd
gert to where we are now? With a frenzied bloodthirsty mob
protesting the tax breaks they just got in the name of being against
higher taxes? If you take everytrhing at its word and on the surface
level, it's like we're living in a bizarro world mixed with the film
IDIOCRACY.

In other words... what if the joke backfires and they win??

I felt real good about America in. Nov 08 but since then, far too many
people has gotten soft and lazy and are just joining mobs without
thinking like the superstious and cowardly lot that they can be.

Ah well... we'll see...

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Posted: 11 April 2010 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 10  

Two things Mike.

1. Palin caused a lot of Republicans to vote for Obama in 08. Why is 2012 any different?

2. I think a decent portion of the racist Obama haters rather vote for a black man than a white woman.
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Posted: 11 April 2010 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 11  

Mike, I think we see eye to eye on a lot of stuff. From an outsider perspective, it's really uncomfortable to watch everything that goes on in the States because there's so much potential for good there, and very often it gets sidetracked by this rampant ignorant streak that seems to run through the nation unchecked. 

It's sad. Really depressing. The world is fighting terrorism - essentially fighting ignorance and intolerance and violence - and what is America doing? Teaching Creationism, showing dinosaurs co-exist with people, holding up signs of a black guy as a monkey, and threatening to kill everyone who doesn't agree with them. 

America has spent the past 20 years as the world's only super power. No Cold War, no Red Menace to defend us against. You essentially spent the first half doing nothing worthwhile in your country because you were too busy trying to impeach an otherwise decent president for getting a BJ, and you spent the second half taking all the goodwill and support of the world after a tragedy and pissing it away and acting like a high school quarterback when really all you are is the head bully. Now you've got a good President again, and like the last time you had one, you're spending all your time fighting him and trying to tear him down because he's smarter, more articulate, and more compassionate than the Moral Majority. 

Good God, when are you people going to grow up?
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Victor I think they would put a white anything over a black person every single time.

Sadly Mike I think the way we are now raising our children, the us against them, is only going to get worse.

Kids don't free range play anymore, if they aren't in school having someone telling them what to do, their parents have them on sports teams having coaches telling them what to do. Little league isn't just in the summer any more, now they have traveling teams and a lot of sports go year round.

When I was little, there weren't as many organized sports, we had to think for ourselves. Now ask any parent that has kids and ask them how much extra curricular activities they are involved in. 

 
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