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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 July 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2710
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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 12:37pm | IP Logged | 1
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Osama is just one weed in a very over-grown garden. We could pull him out by the roots, but we shouldn't expect the garden to thrive until we've addressed the majority of those other weeds.
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 December 2004 Posts: 3508
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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | 2
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But I also saw other things. I was never harassed by cops for doing nothing, as my friends were. I never had people lock their cars doors or women clutch their purses as they passed, as I saw happen to my friends.
*********** Thats happened to me and other poor white people I knew. In fact poor white trash is still an acceptable slur.
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Michael Sommerville Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 April 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 417
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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 3
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Mike O, I'm a large man, I scowl outside because the sunlight bothers my eyes, I buzz my hair pretty close because it grows way too fast. I am told somtimes by close friends that I can look very scary. I have had people cluch purses, watch me in stores, been hassased a couple of times walking the streets at night by police, and have seen concern in people as I passed by many times. I'm a single father of two little girls who works hard to provide for them. I'm curtious and polite. People who do know me see me as a protector and a big softy. I'm nothing like what people assume I am. Stereotypes are hard to ignore for some people. That doesn't make those people bad just uninformed.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | 4
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OK I see what Mike is saying, and correct me if I am wrong Mike.
But I think people are taking the word racism as an insult to themselves, I take from Mike, that in America the white race is racist as a whole because, just by being white we are treated different, in a more positive way, than black people that are treated different , in a negative way. But the individual can be a bigot.
Most people would have to agree being white in America it is a very good thing, we are treated differently than blacks. When my grandparents moved out of their house the neighbors were pissed at my grandparents for "letting" a black family move into the neighborhood. They lost friends over it, which was fine with them.
The racism mike is talking about, isn't the in your face kind, it is the subtle kind. And most of it isn't done because white people hate blacks, it is because whites in our country are thought of in a more positive view. Example: taxi drivers will pick up white people, but some blacks are left standing.
If I am reading Mike right, that if you treat someone badly just because they are a different race, than you are a bigot.
Where I have a problem is, the word racist is looked on as the the more evil word and to blanket everyone as being evil isn't something I completely agree with. I would go with, the white race is oppressive by default.
Paulo I said I was one of the more liberal members on here, I didn't say I was the head liberal of the world. Those held at Gitmo should have a trial, but Osama Bin Laden, if getting him dead over not getting him at all, is no problem in my book. If a sharp shooter can take aim and kill just him, I say "skin that smokewagon."
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 14 April 2010 at 1:39pm
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Michael Sommerville Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 April 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 417
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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | 5
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I just can't be the type of person who feels a need to apologize for being born because I'm a certain race, gender, religion, social class or country or origin. Those factors may have an influence on who we become but it is the choices we make that determine who we are. If that wasn't the case there would be little difference in society from generation to generation.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | 6
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I don't think you need to apologize, I certainly don't feel like I do, I just think we need to realize it is what it is and try to everyday be better as a country. And condemn those who are active bigots.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | 7
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And call out those who do it passively. This is a societal disease.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 18 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10927
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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 2:36pm | IP Logged | 8
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Jodi is correct, but I still have to clarify - I'm not calling anyone specifically a racist. I'm saying that the big picture is racist and whites benefit from it.This is why this is a hard subject to discuss; people take it personal when it's a global discussion. I'm not suggesting anyone to be sorry they're white or hate whiltes, but race relations will make a quantum leap when we get to a point where we can acknowledge the realities of the race-structure and reality of the system without getting defensive and angry. We're all so trained to react to the word "racism" that we do and we fail to understand the meanings of the situations and problems. It would be a great thing if we stopped trying to defend ourselves and worry about the actual issues at hand.
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Michael Sommerville Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | 9
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What are some examples of doing it passively? I will admit the fact that where I live there is not alot of ethnic diversity, there are some natives and asians very few blacks.
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Michael Sommerville Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 3:01pm | IP Logged | 10
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Is it as global as we think? I think race is a much more prevalent issue in the United States than some other places. It seems more raw. I don't take it personal, the issue doesn't anger me and I hope I don't sound defensive. They only way to understand others views is through discussion, questions and debate. Anger is introduced when personal attacks are introduced.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 3:11pm | IP Logged | 11
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I meant global as in, all over America, not person by person.
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Michael Sommerville Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 14 April 2010 at 3:32pm | IP Logged | 12
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Sorry, I took global to mean encompassing the world. I only lived in the States as a child for a year and a half so personal experience there is limited.
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