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Brett Wilson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 26 April 2010 at 6:35pm | IP Logged | 1
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Speaking of the Bushes, Noriega is going to be extradited to France. Another former US backed dictator that managed to get on Washington's bad side.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 26 April 2010 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 2
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Mike O'Brien wrote:
Well... yeah, I wouldn't want to be in the same room with the guy,but I don't think he's sinister or flat out evil, like Palin. |
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I don't know...a guy who stuck firecrackers into frogs as a kid doesn't seem very deserving of the benefit of the doubt.
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 26 April 2010 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | 3
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oh, yeah... I forgot about that. But still - it shows his mental incompetence and utter lack of empathy as much as anything else.But still, you have a good point.
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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 26 April 2010 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | 4
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Stone's movie about him made me see him in a new light. Not a bad guy,per se, just wildly innappropriate for the office of President.I do, however, think that Palin is a bad person. ****** I agree completely Mike.
I remember actually agreeing with Palin when she went after that one whit house staffer for using retard as a slur. Its a real sore point to me and I consider it as bad as throwing around nigger and faggot as an insult.
Of course within the same week she excused Rush using the term. I was relieved she was actually a hypocrite, and I was back to not being on her side about anything.
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Monte Gruhlke Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3299
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Posted: 27 April 2010 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | 5
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You know Victor, she'll be on your side if you pay her $100,000 speaking fee.
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 28 April 2010 at 6:23am | IP Logged | 6
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You know Victor, she'll be on your side if you pay her $100,000 speaking fee. **************************** Yeah, but once the check clears, she'll go back to being all maverick-y.
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 28 April 2010 at 9:34am | IP Logged | 7
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You betcha!
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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 July 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2710
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Posted: 28 April 2010 at 9:51am | IP Logged | 8
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This last bit of Obama, Dubyah and Sarah bashing spurs a quick question (two questions actually, but one for each side of the aisle): Republicans/Conservatives: Who is the one Democrat/Liberal alive today that you can stand politically, not for the entertainment value, but if they were running in your District/State you could see yourself campaigning for them? Democrats/Liberals: Who is the one Republican/Conservative alive today that you can stand politically, not for the entertainment value, but if they were running in your District/State you could see yourself campaigning for them? Bonus Question for Mike O'B: I realize you've said essentially Better Dead Than Republican Red, and I appreciate and respect that. Is there anybody on the other side of the political divide that you even halfway like, not necessarily an elected official, but perhaps an author or thinker?
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 28 April 2010 at 11:38am | IP Logged | 9
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Currently alive, no. I think Lincoln and TR and Eisenhower were all very good politicians.I'm also slowly warming up to Schwartzenegger, at least now that I never have to worry about him running again. He's a decent guy and I like his liberal social views, but I disagree with his financial policies, and thus, could not vote for him. I might be convinced to cut the poor loose and just deal with financial policy that I don't agree with IF republicans cut loose their religious zealots while on the same hand mandating that the churches take care of the poor to keep their tax status. They'd also have to take a better stance on social and race issues. You know what... I start listing all these things and I realize, there is no way I could ever support one. I just don't believe in supporting the rich, the powerful, the bosses, the authority. I'm a little-guy advocate. Can't do it.
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Matthew McCallum Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 28 April 2010 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | 10
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Mike O'B, Hey, the possibility of support was clearly off the table -- that's why you got the special bonus question of halfway like (which I thought might be more in the realm of possibilities). I posed the question because earlier today I was thinking about the writers and commentators whose work I enjoy from both sides of the spectrum, and it dawned on me that they all belong to an older generation. Among the right, I enjoy George Will (his classic Statecraft and Soulcraft, written back in his academia days, remains a favourite), Kevin Phillips, Peggy Noonan and Amity Shlaes. Among the left, I gain insight from Howard Zinn (a great loss), Jared Diamond, Paul Kennedy and John Perkins. The new breed -- my alleged contemporaries -- are all bomb-throwers or yappers. Not much insight to be gained apart from psychoanalysis once removed...
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 28 April 2010 at 1:05pm | IP Logged | 11
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I personally wish we could eliminate political parties. They exist as a means of creating a tribal climate and keep us in the perpetual campaign mode. My epiphany came during the primaries -- there was a wide range of differences of opinion among the Democratic and Republican candidates. But the uniting issue during the primaries is "I think I'm better than the other candidate but we're both better than the other party's candidates!"
Why couldn't we just have candidates of differing views together and running for office? No clubhouse. No tribal wars. No "us" vs. "them."
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 28 April 2010 at 1:47pm | IP Logged | 12
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Stephen wrote:
I personally wish we could eliminate political parties. They exist as a means of creating a tribal climate and keep us in the perpetual campaign mode. |
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Well said, if perhaps a bit too diplomatically worded.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 28 April 2010 at 1:48pm
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